Message from @yung

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2018-04-17 22:30:54 UTC  

When in actuality, it isn't an ideology.

2018-04-17 22:30:57 UTC  

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2018-04-17 22:31:15 UTC  

if capitalism isn't an ideology then what the hell is it

2018-04-17 22:31:16 UTC  

I don’t know. It’s like saying Socialism isn’t an ideology

2018-04-17 22:31:50 UTC  

I mean it has theory and praxis
you can read capitalist theory
you can build a country on capitalist theory

2018-04-17 22:31:57 UTC  

@yung But socialism isn't only an economic theory.

2018-04-17 22:31:59 UTC  

and it has philosophy

2018-04-17 22:32:07 UTC  

Socialism is an economic theory

2018-04-17 22:32:23 UTC  

Communism is more of an ideology

2018-04-17 22:32:26 UTC  

@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 In that case, your country would essentially be a giant company.

2018-04-17 22:32:34 UTC  

@yung No?

2018-04-17 22:32:58 UTC  

pretty much just ancap

2018-04-17 22:33:09 UTC  

I think you’re technically right, but let’s say Capitalism has a lot of ideological weight and baggage to it

2018-04-17 22:33:14 UTC  

we see more of a socdem society in the USA

2018-04-17 22:33:15 UTC  

@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 And we all know that a state like that is impossible.....

2018-04-17 22:33:27 UTC  

I mean it happened in the belgian congo

2018-04-17 22:33:49 UTC  

@yung Not really, it for sure is more subversive than that of socialism and more dominant, but it has little in the form of ideology.

2018-04-17 22:34:50 UTC  

Mhmm maybe you’re right. But what I’m trying to say that the fact people think and argue for and against it in a very ideological way makes it somehow ideology

2018-04-17 22:35:24 UTC  

Not really, they clam it is an ideology, when in reality, it has extremely little to back it as an ideology.

2018-04-17 22:35:27 UTC  

it’s not a sound argument I get it. But Socialism and Communism both are economic models and ideology.

2018-04-17 22:35:37 UTC  

for instance

2018-04-17 22:35:59 UTC  

Maybe saying “neoliberalism” is a better way to suit that ideology

2018-04-17 22:36:23 UTC  

Yet the argument for neoliberalism is the capitalist model itself.

2018-04-17 22:36:33 UTC  

Wouldn’t you somehow agree?

2018-04-17 22:36:56 UTC  

Nope, because neoliberalism is an ideology that primarily uses capitalism.

2018-04-17 22:37:10 UTC  

That goes for 99% of liberals and conservatives.

2018-04-17 22:38:11 UTC  

I don’t get that but I think I get your point

2018-04-17 22:38:27 UTC  

generally

2018-04-17 22:38:58 UTC  

but then Socialism would be an ideology, and say democratic centralism just a model

2018-04-17 22:39:37 UTC  

Democratic centralism? Never heard that one before.

Yes, socialism would be an ideology.

2018-04-17 22:40:30 UTC  

Democratic Centralism is the model of the Soviet Union, or at least how it was supposed to happen

2018-04-17 22:41:29 UTC  

"How it was supposed to happen"

2018-04-17 22:41:54 UTC  

Yhea, let's be serious for a moment, the soviet union was neither democratic, nor was it centralist.

2018-04-17 22:43:57 UTC  

I’ll answer this later I’m walking

2018-04-17 22:57:24 UTC  

The SU was definitely centralist, too centralist imo. And while it was, always in my opinion, politically un democratic (sometimes), it showed freedoms in the workplace and organization of life that we have never seen before, except in other Leninist and or Anarchist experiments

2018-04-17 22:57:34 UTC  

I think that’s pretty undeniable

2018-04-17 23:37:26 UTC  

gang gang

2018-04-18 00:05:47 UTC  

Bring back

2018-04-18 00:05:50 UTC  

Council communism

2018-04-18 00:17:02 UTC  

aka Soviet Communism

2018-04-18 00:54:34 UTC  

@yung Mis-spoke when I said it wasn't centralist, was thinking of something else....