If you break your contract... you get shipped to Siberia

You are not forced out of the apartment if you don't pay

@killsometime If you do not agree voluntarily, then you will be put into a hole in the ground.

@Firefly Bullshit.

Because you actually don't pay, lol

You don't even need to pay

@Firefly would you rather live in the USSR or the USA

@Firefly Wow, what a conveluded way to state that.

@koifish I lived in USSR. Most people who did want it back

@Firefly And, in reality, would you really like to live in a glorified closet that has barely enough room to sleep in? While everything else is shared?

@Firefly you have any evidence to back up that most former Soviet citizens wanna go back to the good old days?

@Firefly While they may be "free", your living conditions were significantly downgraded.

What you don't pay for with money, you pay for with forced labor.

@Firefly I don't give a damn what blogpost with exaggerated polling states, the USSR was still shit.

@Firefly damn, you lived there? You must be relativley old for someone who uses discord

@maostravelagent I'm here to hold this server, I'm an admin

@Firefly Wait, I just looked at this, and it said that 56% has negative feelings over the collapse, it didn't state that they actually regretted the collapse of the union.

@Firefly have you ever considered the idea that those that miss it, probably miss the fact that the USSR influence globally and challenged the US?

Does it show they actually miss the communism or just the USSR in general

@killsometime Nobody is alive who was present during actual soviet style communism.

@killsometime or maybe they liked the idea of no homeless on street, no 75$ a month salary, working industry, free education and healthcare, absence of rent, zero unemployment

@killsometime USSR in general

@Firefly The thing is that those things were absolute bullshit claims.

@Firefly the fact that the USSR used the military to hold everyone in kind of belies your argument for how great it was

Industry was infamously sub par to the west, homeless were very much present especially in the urban area's, as well as that, education and healthcare were also disasters, being shit compared to their competetors, and rent was also present as well, even if you would like to object, as well as that unemployment was also very present as well in the soviet union, the claims that these weren't present is complete bullshit.

@koifish I disagree with a policy of movement restriction

@Firefly Thanks.

@Firefly but the USSR didn’t disagree with it or else the vast number of citizens who wanted to leave would’ve been able to

@koifish so?

@Firefly so even if you personally disagree with a movement restriction policy, no communist country in modern history has been able to exist without tyrannically ruling over its citizens. Are you telling me you’ve found the secret to utopia that all communist leaders, and even thinkers like Marx and Hegel, have missed all these years?

@koifish Right now there is no movement restriction and everybody left post-USSR countries while they been capitalist.

It damaged development of this countries greatly

@Firefly yeah because all the countries were in financial ruin after the USSR collapsed, not because of some failure of capitalism

If you don’t mind me asking, where do you live currently

@koifish Which countries been in financial ruins?

Almost all countries in the former Soviet Union after the government failed @Firefly

@koifish Ukraine been 7th European economy and where is it now?

I give you a tip. The same place Ukraine been before USSR.

@Firefly Ukraine is one example. Lithuania has risen in past decades. But there’s a lot more in these countries’ individual histories than just their time in the Soviet Union. It’s not like Ukraine has had a continuous mass exodus since the 1980’s, the exodus has ended. It started when the Soviet Union collapsed /because/ the Soviet Union collapsed