Message from @DA GOMMIE JOO
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@Deleted User as I was saying, tito's yugoslavia achieved this pretty well and managed to hold together several ethnic groups that all hate each other for 50 years
now say but you will but it's pretty impressive that he managed to hold yugoslavia together until he died
@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 You got a source for that? And, keep in mind that yugoslavia died the same way the holy roman empire, and austria-hungary did, even though it was ironically supposed to unite the people.
"The second is what is called socialist self-management, or employee participation through councils in decision making in industry and other enterprises."
>NYT
Oh boy, this will be good.
okay what would you consider to be reliable?
Do you think people have a right to liberty
yes
@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 Wait a minute.
If that’s the case why wouldn’t they be free to bargain using their time
@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 The claim of socialist self management comes from the government officials of yugoslavia, meaning that it is practically propaganda.
What an excellent source.
It's like if I said that there was no starvation in russia because stalin said so.
@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 Now literal propaganda, what good sources.
"tito was terrible"
actual person who lived under tito: "tito was great"
"SHUT UP YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE OPPRESSED"
When did I claim that they were being oppressed?
What I claimed what that the claim that the "workers owned the factories" has little to back the claim, and the only evidence you can use is from propaganda sources.
here's AP
and al-jazeera
fucking hell
here we go
al-jazeera
@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 Mate I ain't talking about tito here I am talking about the claims that the workers owned the factories has little to back it, if I went to a pro socialist rally in serbia or some shit, do you think people would state that tito was good? Of fucking course they would.
You can throw me all the footage from pro socialist rallies that you want, but there is still nothing from you that proves it.
if it's good for 141 other people then I'm sure that it's good for you
here's pubmed
"It is generally said that self-management is responsible for the remarkable successes that Yugoslavia has achieved."
so that was their purpose
what was their conclusion?
"The form of communism developed in Yugoslavia since the early 1950s--called workers' self-management--has been of interest to many westerners concerned with the ideas of participatory democracy and workers' self-management. Yugoslavia's economic growth and general openness toward the West have encouraged many people to visit and to investigate the health care system as well as other aspects of the society. It is generally said that self-management is responsible for the remarkable successes that Yugoslavia has achieved. This paper suggests, on the other hand, that many of the successes achieved in the health care system are attributable largely to the fact that self-management is not allowed to work as freely as it does in other sectors of the economy."
Wow, what strong evidence.
my original claim was that they had self-management
this very clearly supports that
@DA GOMMIE JOO#7269 This claims that their economic practice was labeled as workers self management.