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@DA GOMMIE JOO They called themselves socialists, and those who disagreed untrue socialists.
@Deleted User @DA GOMMIE JOO What I am trying to say is that marxist socialists will make their own beliefs to further their own strength, while purging what they label as "untrue" socialists or "fascist oppressors" in favor of making themselves more powerful, and in the example of trotsky, he allied himself with an anti communist group, and helped wage war against the communists in order to further his own power, while still having marxist socialist beliefs, then later on, after the civil war was done with and he had gained an incredibly large amount of power, he very nearly came to power, and enforced his beliefs, now I find this very similar to strasser, who did very similar things to what trotsky did, with him having marxist socialist beliefs, and allied himself with anti communists and nationalists in the aftermath of a war torn, country. As well as that, he recruited communists and socialists who wanted to see the nation become a marxist socialist one (up to 70% of the group were as such by the night of the long knives), and just like that of trotsky, he nearly assumed power with his following and power he had gained from his past actions as a person allied with anti-communists and planned on assuming power.
Trotsky associated with Marxist
Trotsky aided them and tried to ally with them
After the civil war.
Strasser despised them
No before the war
He met Lenin and they worked together while Lenin was still out of power
Yes, but on a much larger scale after the war, obviously, but that doesn't replace the fact that he still involved himself with the anti-communists, while having marxist beliefs and associating himself with marxists at the same time.
Strasser didn't associate with Marxist
The report you keep quoting was a lie
@Deleted User You got anything to prove that?
70% communist or just socialist
The fact that the same individuals who made the report lied to hitler
The heads of the ss including himmler tried to frame rohm
I need actual evidence, not just personal doubt from you.
Read around his death
It discusses how he was framed
And how he was accused of being a French spy and a commie
@Deleted User I need actual evidence, not just personal doubt from you.
>the ss lied to hitler about rohm being a French spy and a commie as well as trying to establish the sa as ruffians and frame them to be commies
>that's not proof
Also didn't you say previously that wikipedia wasn't a trustworthy source, yet you are using it to back your claim now?
I said it from your view
Saying inb4 you say wikepeida is Marxist and can't be trusted
Wikepeida isn't the source
It's the sources they have attached
Tons of direct links that are fun
@Deleted User Such as?
Such as go to the fucking page and scroll the the bottom
@Deleted User Yhea, it's from a guy who has no information about himself online, and is from a book that has no existence on google, how trustworthy.
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Trotsky, leader of the red army, was an anti-communist
that's news to me
what anti-communist group was it?
@Deleted User Stalin was a Marxist-Leninist.
He was quite advanced in his understanding of Marxist theory.
Get out kike
@Deleted User Also, Lenin didn't "join in later," that was Trotsky. Lenin had been a member of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party for ages, and was a prominent member. When the split between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks occurred, he was the paramount leader.
Mao was also a Marxist-Leninist, who applied Marxism-Leninism to the material conditions of China. Through revolutionary praxis he added to the theory, which then became known as Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought.
@Deleted User interestingly enough trotsky was also apart of the social democrats during kerensky.