Message from @DA GOMMIE JOO

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2018-11-14 22:12:19 UTC  

you said the technology was better

2018-11-14 22:12:25 UTC  

and that they were better tanks

2018-11-14 22:12:35 UTC  

if we compare the tanks, then we can find if those claims are true

2018-11-14 22:12:49 UTC  

I am testing your claim

2018-11-14 22:12:50 UTC  

it bought them time so did winter

2018-11-14 22:13:00 UTC  

Im not saying it won the war

2018-11-14 22:13:21 UTC  

you said that the tanks were better than the soviet ones

2018-11-14 22:13:24 UTC  

America won the war

2018-11-14 22:13:32 UTC  

and?

2018-11-14 22:13:35 UTC  

so just fuck all the stats, america first

2018-11-14 22:13:56 UTC  

Well logically american tanks are better than soviet tanks

2018-11-14 22:14:05 UTC  

let's examine that claim

2018-11-14 22:14:06 UTC  

especially back then

2018-11-14 22:14:29 UTC  

the T-34 weighed 3 tons less than the sherman at 26 tons

2018-11-14 22:14:50 UTC  

And?

2018-11-14 22:14:53 UTC  

the T-34 had a larger gun by 1.3 mm

2018-11-14 22:14:59 UTC  

Was it more resistant?

2018-11-14 22:15:18 UTC  

let me see here

2018-11-14 22:15:48 UTC  

it lists a range from 13 to 108 mm for the sherman

2018-11-14 22:15:54 UTC  

let's say about 60 mm

2018-11-14 22:15:56 UTC  

that sound fair?

2018-11-14 22:16:31 UTC  

A direct comparison is rife with issues. Simply put, the tanks were designed around different philosophies and uses. The Sherman was more robust from a mechanical standpoint; the T-34 was an atrocious mechanical contraption. Each design was improved by sub-marks through its history and both remained in active service around the world well into the 1960s and 1970s (and even later in limited appearances with the T-34 in Africa, for example).

Addressing your specific request:

Survivability - call it even. Both were typical of the time period. The Shermans infamously brewed up due to inadequate fire prevention measures with ammunition storage that was addressed in later marks. The T-34 and its vaunted frontal sloped armor was largely impervious to direct front shots, but if penetrated was just as likely to catch fire or explode.

2018-11-14 22:16:32 UTC  

Crew Comfort - Soviet tanks are not known for crew comfort, period. The cramped designs did not take crews into account other than as necessary pieces of the machine. Height restrictions limited who could serve in the tank corps. The Sherman was typical for the time period.

Combat Effectiveness - this can and should be judged in two ways. First, the basic machine itself and second how the armies used the tank. The Sherman was intended to be an all around infantry support weapon. Tank Destroyers and towed anti-tank guns were the principal weapons to combat enemy tanks in the U.S. Army. As such, the Sherman had a lower velocity 75-mm main gun, with a very effective High Explosive (HE) shell. It often came off second best to contemporary German tanks (Panzer IV and later), but was good enough when properly employed. Later variants added a better tank dueling gun and ammunition (especially the High Velocity Armored Piercing [HVAP]) which gave the Sherman a better chance against late model German tanks.

The T-34, in 1941, carried a very powerful main gun that penetrated most German tanks. The offensive nature of the Soviet tactics meant that the low profile and low ground pressure made it a hard target that could go anywhere (it seemed to the Germans, at least). The low profile worked against the T-34 in defensive situations, though, making it hard to depress the main gun from high ground. The T-34 was designed to spearhead the offense, and was fast and hard hitting in ways the Sherman could never be (even with the Sherman's speedy powerplant). Thus you have an all purpose tank meant to accompany and support infantry assaults versus

2018-11-14 22:16:45 UTC  

that is some info I got

2018-11-14 22:16:48 UTC  

where?

2018-11-14 22:16:56 UTC  

Quora

2018-11-14 22:17:08 UTC  

can you post a link?

2018-11-14 22:17:42 UTC  

He posted some sources too

2018-11-14 22:21:16 UTC  

he cites a blog post and a website that was described by The Atlantic as a glorified blog collection

2018-11-14 22:21:31 UTC  

and?

2018-11-14 22:22:00 UTC  

not sure a guy who taught himself about WW2 in 6 years's blog is a reliable source

2018-11-14 22:22:18 UTC  

Why not?

2018-11-14 22:22:28 UTC  

because he's very clearly not an expert

2018-11-14 22:22:45 UTC  

and his work has not been fact-checked

2018-11-14 22:22:49 UTC  

I dont care for experts, I care for the source

2018-11-14 22:22:57 UTC  

he provided a source

2018-11-14 22:22:58 UTC  

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2018-11-14 22:24:25 UTC  

two of your sources even disagree with each other

2018-11-14 22:24:39 UTC  

Dude hurry up my food is getting cold