Message from @DA GOMMIE JOO

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2018-11-14 22:08:31 UTC  

and that's not even including soviet production/storage of any machines or vehicles

2018-11-14 22:08:45 UTC  

dont forget the newer technology

2018-11-14 22:08:49 UTC  

that's the US's entire shipments vs soviet raw materials alone

2018-11-14 22:09:06 UTC  

were there any soviet troops armed with thompson machine guns on the front lines?

2018-11-14 22:09:10 UTC  

which greatly helped moscow and stalingrad during winter

2018-11-14 22:09:11 UTC  

any shermans on the eastern front?

2018-11-14 22:09:27 UTC  

No? But many others

2018-11-14 22:09:35 UTC  

Better tanks for sure

2018-11-14 22:09:50 UTC  

the majority of the US's shipped tanks were shermans

2018-11-14 22:10:03 UTC  

4000 out of 7000

2018-11-14 22:10:29 UTC  

So then there was

2018-11-14 22:10:59 UTC  

1300 of the other tanks were M3 lees

2018-11-14 22:11:14 UTC  

and it doesn't say here what the remaining 1700 were

2018-11-14 22:11:34 UTC  

now the sherman is a medium tank

2018-11-14 22:11:34 UTC  

m3 lees were pretty good

2018-11-14 22:11:48 UTC  

so let's compare it with the most-produced soviet tank

2018-11-14 22:11:49 UTC  

so was the m3

2018-11-14 22:11:50 UTC  

the T-34

2018-11-14 22:12:03 UTC  

Like I said, doesnt matter

2018-11-14 22:12:19 UTC  

you said the technology was better

2018-11-14 22:12:25 UTC  

and that they were better tanks

2018-11-14 22:12:35 UTC  

if we compare the tanks, then we can find if those claims are true

2018-11-14 22:12:49 UTC  

I am testing your claim

2018-11-14 22:12:50 UTC  

it bought them time so did winter

2018-11-14 22:13:00 UTC  

Im not saying it won the war

2018-11-14 22:13:21 UTC  

you said that the tanks were better than the soviet ones

2018-11-14 22:13:24 UTC  

America won the war

2018-11-14 22:13:32 UTC  

and?

2018-11-14 22:13:35 UTC  

so just fuck all the stats, america first

2018-11-14 22:13:56 UTC  

Well logically american tanks are better than soviet tanks

2018-11-14 22:14:05 UTC  

let's examine that claim

2018-11-14 22:14:06 UTC  

especially back then

2018-11-14 22:14:29 UTC  

the T-34 weighed 3 tons less than the sherman at 26 tons

2018-11-14 22:14:50 UTC  

And?

2018-11-14 22:14:53 UTC  

the T-34 had a larger gun by 1.3 mm

2018-11-14 22:14:59 UTC  

Was it more resistant?

2018-11-14 22:15:18 UTC  

let me see here

2018-11-14 22:15:48 UTC  

it lists a range from 13 to 108 mm for the sherman

2018-11-14 22:15:54 UTC  

let's say about 60 mm

2018-11-14 22:15:56 UTC  

that sound fair?

2018-11-14 22:16:31 UTC  

A direct comparison is rife with issues. Simply put, the tanks were designed around different philosophies and uses. The Sherman was more robust from a mechanical standpoint; the T-34 was an atrocious mechanical contraption. Each design was improved by sub-marks through its history and both remained in active service around the world well into the 1960s and 1970s (and even later in limited appearances with the T-34 in Africa, for example).

Addressing your specific request:

Survivability - call it even. Both were typical of the time period. The Shermans infamously brewed up due to inadequate fire prevention measures with ammunition storage that was addressed in later marks. The T-34 and its vaunted frontal sloped armor was largely impervious to direct front shots, but if penetrated was just as likely to catch fire or explode.