Message from @Aggro Saxon

Discord ID: 413847598018068481


2018-02-15 23:56:34 UTC  

What do I do with the wealth? I acquire some material items that have now become the sole purpose in my life. I add yet more layers of artificiality and techno-isolation to my life that's already devoid of real community and relationships, any sense of belonging to the wider society other than that my produce will be counted among the aggregate national statistics

2018-02-15 23:56:55 UTC  

lol go become a hunter

2018-02-15 23:57:00 UTC  

live out in the wilderness

2018-02-15 23:57:16 UTC  

Much better lifestyle frankly, but hardly efficient and capitalistic

2018-02-15 23:59:12 UTC  

You get a sense of connection with your origins and the natural world, the life you would live is one in harmony with that of your ancestors. You can join a simple village community and get to know them and trust them personally. You form real human connections, not professional strategic relationships. You live as you were meant to live.

2018-02-15 23:59:28 UTC  

hm have you ever thought of the idea that acting in your own self-interest might just benefit the rest of society

2018-02-15 23:59:55 UTC  

Sure but not necessarily

2018-02-16 00:00:05 UTC  

the hells that mean

2018-02-16 00:00:32 UTC  

There are some actions that you may take that are in your interest and benefit the wider society, there are others that don't.

2018-02-16 00:00:48 UTC  

Becoming a thief may be in your interest, for example, but harms society.

2018-02-16 00:01:12 UTC  

well yes of course but on an economic basis it helps society

2018-02-16 00:01:18 UTC  

that is why we have laws

2018-02-16 00:01:18 UTC  

Theft?

2018-02-16 00:01:22 UTC  

no

2018-02-16 00:01:32 UTC  

we have laws to prevent theft

2018-02-16 00:01:44 UTC  

Ok, so what about economic exploitation?

2018-02-16 00:01:53 UTC  

It's similar to theft but not illegal

2018-02-16 00:02:10 UTC  

Such as overcharging someone for a house or a repair job

2018-02-16 00:02:20 UTC  

hm

2018-02-16 00:02:29 UTC  

do you know how the free market works

2018-02-16 00:02:36 UTC  

I am familiar

2018-02-16 00:02:47 UTC  

explain to me the concept of competition

2018-02-16 00:03:03 UTC  

But the free market assumes everyone is rational, and that competiton actually exists.

2018-02-16 00:03:08 UTC  

,

2018-02-16 00:03:20 UTC  

Monopolies are a thing

2018-02-16 00:03:22 UTC  

tell me how competition doesn't exist

2018-02-16 00:03:29 UTC  

monopolies

2018-02-16 00:04:16 UTC  

A large company can starve out smaller competitors by various means. It can undercharge temporarily for example, putting smaller companies out of business. It can also control the means of supply.

2018-02-16 00:04:40 UTC  

The network effect is huge too, as well as economies of scale. Large companies will tend to grow larger in a free market

2018-02-16 00:04:52 UTC  

Smaller companies get drowned out in most markets.

2018-02-16 00:05:10 UTC  

lowering prices isn't the only way to compete in the marketplace

2018-02-16 00:05:36 UTC  

It was an example.

2018-02-16 00:06:19 UTC  

of course larger companies are naturally hard to compete with

2018-02-16 00:06:36 UTC  

but it normally takes a long time to reach that status

2018-02-16 00:06:44 UTC  

every business begins small

2018-02-16 00:06:53 UTC  

small businesses can compete

2018-02-16 00:06:57 UTC  

and this has been shown

2018-02-16 00:07:25 UTC  

Sure but it happens. Eventually there will be a monopoly, and the monopoly will be able to dictate the parameters of the market if there isn't state intervention.

2018-02-16 00:08:18 UTC  

There doesn't even need to be just one company in monopoly. If there are a few then they essentially make decisions in tandem. They act as an unofficial cartel.

2018-02-16 00:08:41 UTC  

i don't disagree that eventually monopolies form out of a free market

2018-02-16 00:08:46 UTC  

this is why mixed economies exist