>disagreement

i dont even know what your position is right now

@Brandod what is your political ideology?

@Deleted User you seemed to disagree with what i said earlier

@Deleted Account 81241290a0u523 is that important? good arguments don't rely on the mouths they are from

yeh i said that work that involves surplus value extraction is exploitative

It explains your position more clearly though

@Deleted User i would counter that all work involves that

it by definition doesnt

in every system

can you give me an example?

surplus value extraction is a process in which a capitalist receives money from the excess value that a worker has produced

a worker cant extract surplus value from another worker and this only exists in capitalism

can you explain why it needs to be a capitalist?

@Brandod He means a boss

no a capitalist

capitalist = someone who owns MoP

because thats what happens, workers are not subservient to other workers they are subservient to property owners

you can still have a boss

or a manager

that doesnt have to be the owner

boss of the gym

damn you brock

lets say i have a hammer i lend it to you and you make 10 chairs

i say give me 8

does that sound fair?

@Deleted User but workers are subserviant to other workers and bosses do produce extra value indirectly

@Brandod

do workers sell their labour to other workers or to a capitalist?

a business with good management practices is more efficient that one without

your definition of capitalist seems to be a bit off

you dont need the management to own it

I am a capitalist

yet i am very poor

terminology

do you own mop?

mop?

capitalist in this context means property owner

means of production

but can you awnser my question

Everyone owns some means of production

no