you guys are both fucking retards "you're stupid", "NUH UH you're stupid"

peak centrism

@Deleted Account 81241290a0u523 i am the smarterest

no me

@Deleted User tell me what you think

>disagreement

i dont even know what your position is right now

@Brandod what is your political ideology?

@Deleted User you seemed to disagree with what i said earlier

@Deleted Account 81241290a0u523 is that important? good arguments don't rely on the mouths they are from

yeh i said that work that involves surplus value extraction is exploitative

It explains your position more clearly though

@Deleted User i would counter that all work involves that

it by definition doesnt

in every system

can you give me an example?

surplus value extraction is a process in which a capitalist receives money from the excess value that a worker has produced

a worker cant extract surplus value from another worker and this only exists in capitalism

can you explain why it needs to be a capitalist?

@Brandod He means a boss

no a capitalist

capitalist = someone who owns MoP

because thats what happens, workers are not subservient to other workers they are subservient to property owners

you can still have a boss

or a manager

that doesnt have to be the owner

boss of the gym

damn you brock

lets say i have a hammer i lend it to you and you make 10 chairs

i say give me 8

does that sound fair?

@Deleted User but workers are subserviant to other workers and bosses do produce extra value indirectly

@Brandod

do workers sell their labour to other workers or to a capitalist?

a business with good management practices is more efficient that one without

your definition of capitalist seems to be a bit off

you dont need the management to own it

I am a capitalist

yet i am very poor

terminology

do you own mop?

mop?