that doesnt have to be the owner

boss of the gym

damn you brock

lets say i have a hammer i lend it to you and you make 10 chairs

i say give me 8

does that sound fair?

@Deleted User but workers are subserviant to other workers and bosses do produce extra value indirectly

@Brandod

do workers sell their labour to other workers or to a capitalist?

a business with good management practices is more efficient that one without

your definition of capitalist seems to be a bit off

you dont need the management to own it

I am a capitalist

yet i am very poor

terminology

do you own mop?

mop?

capitalist in this context means property owner

means of production

but can you awnser my question

Everyone owns some means of production

no

so yes

no

god almighty

I have a computer and a brain

my dick is the means of production

so i make money by programming things

do you create value witout doing anything

those are not valueable to producing things in a market

but can you awnser my question

I have a hammer and lend it to you

@Brandod Capitalism is the Private ownership of The means of production, disrribution and exchange

you create 10 chairs and I say have me 8 of them

@herb i said yes, i do have means of production

Is that right?

@R O M S O C アナーキー @R O M S O C アナーキー I like this definition

can I do that does that seem right to you

does your means of production have other people working it to create commodities on a market and produce value?

pretty close to yours

@herb if you provide the tools and materials