Message from @Suleiman

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2018-03-13 14:55:19 UTC  

Interesting that you see the commoner as a ignorant and presumably easily duped yet you think they should be given equal decision making capacities as an academic or professional?

2018-03-13 14:55:47 UTC  

You are closer to fascism than you might be conscious of.

2018-03-13 14:56:04 UTC  

I am not blaming them for them not understanding, but rather the state.

2018-03-13 14:57:03 UTC  

Okay but what is the difference between you and a non anarchist then? Obviously you see yourself as being more conscious of the world around you.

2018-03-13 14:57:27 UTC  

Fundamentally you recognize there are stupid and smart people

2018-03-13 14:57:47 UTC  

Through your own perception on people's understanding of the state

2018-03-13 14:58:20 UTC  

An understanding of a revolutionary consciousness doesn't necessitate one separate knowing from the not knowing through hierarchy

2018-03-13 14:58:38 UTC  

it necessitates education, above all else.

2018-03-13 14:59:23 UTC  

You are subject to the same hierarchy and conditioning though

2018-03-13 15:00:08 UTC  

There has to be a fundamental difference between you and a gaumless commoner who takes everything he hears on the television as gospel truth

2018-03-13 15:02:11 UTC  

I am subject to the same conditioning, but I also at the same time have had a more independent education that allows me to decide objectively which ideology seems to be mor idyllic and realistic.

2018-03-13 15:02:26 UTC  

More*

2018-03-13 15:02:38 UTC  

A "commoner"? There is no fundamental difference between the politically minded and less politically minded besides that, an inclination towards engaging in politics. Everyone is at least somewhat mindful of the world around them. The only thing that would separate a purported revolutionary and "normal" person is the extent of that inclination. All of it comes through learning.

2018-03-13 15:04:14 UTC  

@Deleted User you basically just said that the only difference that might he fundamental is a desire to be politically conscious and the desire to be ignorant. That is not a difference worth brushing aside

2018-03-13 15:04:43 UTC  

It seemed that he put a lot of emphasis on education which is correct.

2018-03-13 15:04:57 UTC  

@tunga come back to the anarchist brotherhood.

2018-03-13 15:05:09 UTC  

Most anarchists that I know went through public schooling

2018-03-13 15:05:17 UTC  

Heil Hitler

2018-03-13 15:05:20 UTC  

Fuck

2018-03-13 15:05:32 UTC  

Fixed

2018-03-13 15:06:10 UTC  

I went through public schooling.

2018-03-13 15:07:13 UTC  

So you in essence went through the same conditioning as everyone else yet you have an inclination towards politics and knowledge while your peers for the most part do not

2018-03-13 15:07:27 UTC  

Seems like there is something more essential going on here

2018-03-13 15:07:38 UTC  

The separation of the politically conscious and those that have their daily lives to worry about is really unimportant in the current scheme of things. In times of upheaval and real change, your daily life is completely affected by politics, and when those times come about is when political consciousness amongst the population reaches a high.

2018-03-13 15:08:12 UTC  

Not at all. I think I was a lot more critically thinking than that of my fellow classmates from a much younger age. Since I came to university they have certainly broken down any faith I have had in the state.

2018-03-13 15:08:27 UTC  

So you prove my point

2018-03-13 15:08:40 UTC  

You see yourself as more intelligent on a fundamental level

2018-03-13 15:09:00 UTC  

No, I have already stressed that it is the state that is to be blamed.

2018-03-13 15:09:21 UTC  

What made you more critically thinking at a young age if not your own mind?

2018-03-13 15:09:23 UTC  

It's only a matter of chance politics has wound up as one of your interests.

2018-03-13 15:09:25 UTC  

And no, public schooling doesn’t educate people about these issues, I had to find it out by myself.

2018-03-13 15:09:58 UTC  

Not necessarily more intelligent, but more politically conscious from a younger age, before I ever studied politics.

2018-03-13 15:10:00 UTC  

There are sharper minds than mine that don't care at all for philosophy or politics.

2018-03-13 15:10:35 UTC  

@Suleiman so what made you more politically conscious if not your own mind?

2018-03-13 15:10:56 UTC  

I just had a bigger interest in politics, doesn’t translate into intelligence I would argue.

2018-03-13 15:11:37 UTC  

We are not purely creations of our society. Yes conditioning plays a substantial part in our development but leftists seem to ignore how much is essential to our being.

2018-03-13 15:12:10 UTC  

No, I think leftists have a fundamental different philosophy on human nature.

2018-03-13 15:12:42 UTC  

The average Joe does not and will never care for anything beyond playing video games and masturbating. This reality hurts but when you become more honest with yourself you'll come to grips with it.

2018-03-13 15:12:48 UTC  

Right wingers believe in a Hobbesian ‘man is selfish’ whilst the lefts take a more optimistic view, specifically anarchists like myself would argue the state has corrupted man.

2018-03-13 15:13:17 UTC  

I guess I'm neither left nor right then Heil dugin

2018-03-13 15:13:25 UTC  

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