are some of you anarchist here ?

*waves hand in the air*

it's hard to find other anrchist on discord

The question actually is neither ethical nor monetary. It is a question of organic development. Hierarchy exists in all facets of society as it is a organic process born from power struggle. Some people have more influence and social capital than others and they find their words and ideas gaining more weight and reverence than those without that.

Then they are elevated to positions of authority by their peers. Wallah hierarchy

This is somewhat true but that is, as Rousseau said, a product of existence in a world with hierarchy. There is some level of conditioning that people are subject to. Being raised in a hierarchical society only breeds a craving for gaining power and a degree for selfishness. Strip such 'organic processes' away by doing away with such unneeded hierarchy in governing and there is no reason to suggest why society could not function better, be more ethical and prosperous.

Social conditioning can't be taken out of us since it itself develops in society and is a product of social relations. Magnitude aside, as soon as you are subject to another person's words or actions you are being conditioned

A large anarchist experiment was taken during the 70s in regional U.S where all members of the commune had an equal say in how the community was run through direct democracy and participation. This resulted in individuals gaining social credit and becoming powerful. Rendering the material process of decision making irrelevant

The conditioning can be taken out. If you manage to persuade the ignorant masses that anarchism can work. The same way all political philosophies gain support. National Socialism is an example of this. But insofar as your comment about the experiment, this relates to what I just said that you can’t take someone out of a hierarchical state and expect them to act any other way than they did before. This is not human nature we are seeing in that experiment it’s the conditioning under the state.

Interesting that you see the commoner as a ignorant and presumably easily duped yet you think they should be given equal decision making capacities as an academic or professional?

You are closer to fascism than you might be conscious of.

I am not blaming them for them not understanding, but rather the state.

Okay but what is the difference between you and a non anarchist then? Obviously you see yourself as being more conscious of the world around you.

Fundamentally you recognize there are stupid and smart people

Through your own perception on people's understanding of the state

An understanding of a revolutionary consciousness doesn't necessitate one separate knowing from the not knowing through hierarchy

it necessitates education, above all else.

You are subject to the same hierarchy and conditioning though

There has to be a fundamental difference between you and a gaumless commoner who takes everything he hears on the television as gospel truth

I am subject to the same conditioning, but I also at the same time have had a more independent education that allows me to decide objectively which ideology seems to be mor idyllic and realistic.

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A "commoner"? There is no fundamental difference between the politically minded and less politically minded besides that, an inclination towards engaging in politics. Everyone is at least somewhat mindful of the world around them. The only thing that would separate a purported revolutionary and "normal" person is the extent of that inclination. All of it comes through learning.

@Deleted User you basically just said that the only difference that might he fundamental is a desire to be politically conscious and the desire to be ignorant. That is not a difference worth brushing aside

It seemed that he put a lot of emphasis on education which is correct.

@tunga come back to the anarchist brotherhood.

Most anarchists that I know went through public schooling

Heil Hitler

Fuck

Fixed

I went through public schooling.

So you in essence went through the same conditioning as everyone else yet you have an inclination towards politics and knowledge while your peers for the most part do not

Seems like there is something more essential going on here

The separation of the politically conscious and those that have their daily lives to worry about is really unimportant in the current scheme of things. In times of upheaval and real change, your daily life is completely affected by politics, and when those times come about is when political consciousness amongst the population reaches a high.

Not at all. I think I was a lot more critically thinking than that of my fellow classmates from a much younger age. Since I came to university they have certainly broken down any faith I have had in the state.

So you prove my point

You see yourself as more intelligent on a fundamental level

No, I have already stressed that it is the state that is to be blamed.

What made you more critically thinking at a young age if not your own mind?

It's only a matter of chance politics has wound up as one of your interests.

And no, public schooling doesn’t educate people about these issues, I had to find it out by myself.

Not necessarily more intelligent, but more politically conscious from a younger age, before I ever studied politics.