Message from @Diablo

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2018-03-18 18:04:31 UTC  

@prior exactly dude

2018-03-18 18:04:31 UTC  

lol

2018-03-18 18:04:39 UTC  

actual question

2018-03-18 18:04:43 UTC  

i dont kno much

2018-03-18 18:05:01 UTC  

Sure there are really good people who'd be a doctor instead but there's going to be a very low amount

2018-03-18 18:05:23 UTC  

this is why I say socialism assumes a very high number of resources and/or money.

2018-03-18 18:05:50 UTC  

well first you need capitalism

2018-03-18 18:05:51 UTC  

And that people act the same way

2018-03-18 18:06:34 UTC  

capitalism makes massive infrastructure and resources, then you would transition to socialism

2018-03-18 18:06:41 UTC  

@Diablo Don't take what he says about human nature for granted, there is evidence to suggest the contrary and if you accept Humans are the way he does then the argument for Socialism becomes much harder to justify.

2018-03-18 18:07:16 UTC  

well capitalism is easy to understand

2018-03-18 18:07:19 UTC  

Again, you're assuming the rich are bad and selfish and completely take every penny they get. They don't. They're the ones providing these jobs and paying their employees with their own money.

2018-03-18 18:07:25 UTC  

so humans adapt to it better

2018-03-18 18:07:47 UTC  

No just because things are easy to understand doesnt mean they can adapt better.

2018-03-18 18:07:57 UTC  

in some countries, people have a wage as low as $0.37

2018-03-18 18:08:03 UTC  

It's not about adaption since we've already adapted to this.

2018-03-18 18:08:26 UTC  

It's not really about human adaption since basically every species works hard to gain and to get pleasured

2018-03-18 18:08:40 UTC  

And that's typically through competition

2018-03-18 18:08:49 UTC  

And yes those are very unfortunate

2018-03-18 18:09:10 UTC  

which is why socialism would be even worse in countries that suffer poverty

2018-03-18 18:10:01 UTC  

capitalism is really easy to understand but over time poverty increases, the rich get richer, and the workers have less opportunities

2018-03-18 18:11:10 UTC  

What? No? Like I said the rich give out these jobs.

2018-03-18 18:11:17 UTC  

And there are plenty of jobs.

2018-03-18 18:11:26 UTC  

Some jobs require education some dont

2018-03-18 18:11:54 UTC  

In order to not be poor you need a job

2018-03-18 18:12:08 UTC  

Mr E has an interpretation of the world whereby corporations are benevolent and help the poor.

2018-03-18 18:12:16 UTC  

I mean

2018-03-18 18:12:19 UTC  

deluded comes to mind.

2018-03-18 18:12:21 UTC  

They do

2018-03-18 18:12:31 UTC  

Yeah, god them chinese kids totally agree.

2018-03-18 18:12:32 UTC  

Am I wrong that the rich give jobs to people?

2018-03-18 18:12:41 UTC  

You mean communist china?

2018-03-18 18:12:51 UTC  

well he wouldnt give out his jobs for free, he wants workers that are willing to work for him, he also wants to cut money to earn more profit

2018-03-18 18:12:55 UTC  

China the country that isnt capitalist?

2018-03-18 18:12:59 UTC  

One, its not communist, two the capitalist market exists in China.

2018-03-18 18:13:17 UTC  

in capitalism, the only reason why he gives out good wages is because of competition

2018-03-18 18:13:21 UTC  

thats it

2018-03-18 18:13:27 UTC  

@Diablo Most bosses dont do that because they want workers

2018-03-18 18:13:39 UTC  

Mr E, do you think in China, the Apple Corporation are owned by the government?

2018-03-18 18:13:59 UTC  

corpoartions give higher wages to compete over workers

2018-03-18 18:15:01 UTC  

China is governed by the Communist Party of China