Message from @Diablo

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2018-03-18 18:02:13 UTC  

because then you wont be able to save up for college to get a better job

2018-03-18 18:02:27 UTC  

I mean maybe you can but it would be a lot harder for you and the collective

2018-03-18 18:02:40 UTC  

What cooperatives?

2018-03-18 18:02:42 UTC  

how does competition work in socialist society

2018-03-18 18:02:48 UTC  

Yeah exactly

2018-03-18 18:02:51 UTC  

just out of curiosity

2018-03-18 18:02:56 UTC  

Humans are very competitive for a reason

2018-03-18 18:03:04 UTC  

Every species are

2018-03-18 18:03:15 UTC  

but humans are very competitive towards themselves

2018-03-18 18:03:16 UTC  

like actual question

2018-03-18 18:03:22 UTC  

i dont mean like that

2018-03-18 18:03:24 UTC  

i mean like

2018-03-18 18:03:29 UTC  

No I know what you mean

2018-03-18 18:03:35 UTC  

if we all are making the same amount of money

2018-03-18 18:03:36 UTC  

hm

2018-03-18 18:03:40 UTC  

Yeah I get it

2018-03-18 18:03:46 UTC  

well i just had a whole different thought

2018-03-18 18:03:55 UTC  

Not really

2018-03-18 18:04:10 UTC  

Humans have adapted to work

2018-03-18 18:04:11 UTC  

why would i want to be a doctor when i could be a pizza delivery boy and make the same amount of money

2018-03-18 18:04:16 UTC  

cooporation over competition. in titoism you could do something called profit sharing where the workers would help manage and organize eachother from different cooperatives.

2018-03-18 18:04:22 UTC  

Capitalism is human nature really

2018-03-18 18:04:31 UTC  

@prior exactly dude

2018-03-18 18:04:31 UTC  

lol

2018-03-18 18:04:39 UTC  

actual question

2018-03-18 18:04:43 UTC  

i dont kno much

2018-03-18 18:05:01 UTC  

Sure there are really good people who'd be a doctor instead but there's going to be a very low amount

2018-03-18 18:05:23 UTC  

this is why I say socialism assumes a very high number of resources and/or money.

2018-03-18 18:05:50 UTC  

well first you need capitalism

2018-03-18 18:05:51 UTC  

And that people act the same way

2018-03-18 18:06:34 UTC  

capitalism makes massive infrastructure and resources, then you would transition to socialism

2018-03-18 18:06:41 UTC  

@Diablo Don't take what he says about human nature for granted, there is evidence to suggest the contrary and if you accept Humans are the way he does then the argument for Socialism becomes much harder to justify.

2018-03-18 18:07:16 UTC  

well capitalism is easy to understand

2018-03-18 18:07:19 UTC  

Again, you're assuming the rich are bad and selfish and completely take every penny they get. They don't. They're the ones providing these jobs and paying their employees with their own money.

2018-03-18 18:07:25 UTC  

so humans adapt to it better

2018-03-18 18:07:47 UTC  

No just because things are easy to understand doesnt mean they can adapt better.

2018-03-18 18:07:57 UTC  

in some countries, people have a wage as low as $0.37

2018-03-18 18:08:03 UTC  

It's not about adaption since we've already adapted to this.

2018-03-18 18:08:26 UTC  

It's not really about human adaption since basically every species works hard to gain and to get pleasured

2018-03-18 18:08:40 UTC  

And that's typically through competition

2018-03-18 18:08:49 UTC  

And yes those are very unfortunate