Hey have you ever noticed that how people learn, it starts with human interactions being similar to communism then slowly turn to capitalism?

Like they first teach you to share then they teach you that you only get things through hard work.

At least simple versons of communism and capitalism

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someone said in another discord 'capitalists are a minority'

like

wtf

Pretty sure that even if economic ideologies did work like that, I'm pretty sure it would be a majority

I dislike this notion that somehow communism is all for sharingand being nice to people and ethics and the right is all about not sharing and not caring about other people etc

Its false

Its studid

And its dangerous

Communism isn’t about dandy sharing and nice flowers, I agree

Communism sucks

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In many countries capitalism has been an enabler for social wellfare systems

Im listening to this podcast and this woman defines leftism as being against homophobia and other social issues that nearly everybody agrees on

Yung is such a hot tankie

Hahahah

I see a lot of gay nazis

That was random tbh ^

Hahahah

@supermodel ruben
I disagree, if you look at examples of social welfare being implemented into Capitalist systems you will see a clear trend. They are concessions. Just like labor rights, welfare isn’t even a part of Capitalism, it is an add on feature granted to working classes. In the case of Scandinavia for instance, it was clearly a concession due to the presence of the USSR. Ever since the Soviet Union collapsed, those countries have been heading towards privatization again. Social Democracy is basically not a thing anymore, and if it is present it’s not like it was during “the good days”

Well I am not saying its not a concession ofcourse

But man if you live in uk/germany/netherlands/scandinavia

You will not starve

You will not be unable to get medical attention when you need to

Poverty is nearly non existent

When people in the netherlands refer to national poverty the speak about not being able to buy new clothes every month

Or a new tv

That is not poverty

Let me ask a very fair question

In the situation of complete communism

Where does the capital for social wellfare structures comes from

Communism has to be post-scarcity, meaning that you would have eliminated problems on distribution and production of goods. It’s a gift economy. You wouldn’t even have capital

@supermodel ruben btw where I live in The Hague, although I know less than you when it comes to NL, it’s a pretty shitty neighborhood, with very clear cut poverty. Not a fun place to go around at night at all. And it’s pretty clear to me that the Hague is a relatively rich city

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I do not think the word poverty should be used when theres free healthcare, free tuition, government funding for people w/e a solid income, government funding for people with kids, government funding for housing, social housing, etc

But thats semantics

I think poverty is an apt word for people who really struggle to get by, feed their family, are homeless ecc.

Well the number of homeless people in the netherlands is almost neglectable