And what is "democratic" controk?

The worker control how it's done.

And controls the means of production.

And the government absolutely can’t exploit anyone in any way at all?

I don't mean the government.

How would you know exploitation woulden't happen? Especially in one of the biggest systems in which explotation is a constant issue, that being drmocracy.

I mean the big businesses.

Big business isn’t the only exploiter of workers out there.

And no, the worker does not control how it is done, if what is done, is controlled by mob rule, which ironically isn't democracy at all.

But that is how it is in the united states?

That is how they vote for the president?

It's an Ochlocracy.

@Zero Two is back They use representative eldctions.

What about the saying of "We the people"?

We the incorporated LLC

The US is a Democratic Republic.

Simple enuff.

You guys are all wrong btw

@Zero Two is back Basically they use votes to elect a person who they want the most, and then they push their agenda in congress or whatever, when it comes to presidential elections, people use the electoral college, in which the most votes toward a specific canidate causes people in a specific state to vote for the canidate that has the most votes, and then those votes are tallied and the canidate that has the most electoral college votes wins.

That is my point.

No one really can be exploited.

Because they would delay their means of production of the good.

@Zero Two is back But in the case of your "workers democracy", it is literally just a giant group of people working as a mob who determine everything out of what the mob decides, and anybody who disagree's will probabaly lose most of their teeth.

Surely they would get law enforcement to solve that problem.

So they would rethink of what they did.

There is no state in a communist state....

Well I wouldn't really call it communism then?

Would I?

Ask any marxist who actually knows a damn about their belief, and they will tell you that once true communism is in place, there is no state.

But that would hardly come in our life time.

How would you know?

Was there actually an real communist state?

In any country?

They all claimed to be socialist states, which were progressing towards communism.

But they couldn't be Communist states.

Because they weren't that advance yet.

Well why coulden't they just up and at em abolish the state and everything that comes with it?

Well there is some problems with that.

You can't get rid of the government so fast.

Well what makes you think you can get rid of government at all?

Because the government is corrupt, I believe that you can share the wealth with other people.