Message from @K▲ISER
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You are limited to some choices as well.
@Zero Two is back What kind of choices for what?
Cell phone companies,
What?
And other items consumer would like to have served and to buy.
Also, isn’t a desire for materialistic things such as money something everyone inherently has, and some satiate that need by selling products to consumers for profit?
In regards to your telephone company, there are always alternatives that you can choose, granted their coverage and service is likely to be subpar, but in regards to electronics, if you don't want to have a limited range of choices you can just assemble your own.
On top of that, public phones and phone booths are a thing as well.
In the words of Ivan drago
If he dies, he dies
@Kay Is that bush sr sr or bush jr?
Sr
@Deleted User But it should be democratic control.
For workers and such.
@Zero Two is back Why should it?
Because people can get exploited.
And what is "democratic" controk?
The worker control how it's done.
And controls the means of production.
I don't mean the government.
How would you know exploitation woulden't happen? Especially in one of the biggest systems in which explotation is a constant issue, that being drmocracy.
I mean the big businesses.
Big business isn’t the only exploiter of workers out there.
And no, the worker does not control how it is done, if what is done, is controlled by mob rule, which ironically isn't democracy at all.
But that is how it is in the united states?
That is how they vote for the president?
It's an Ochlocracy.
@Zero Two is back They use representative eldctions.
What about the saying of "We the people"?
We the incorporated LLC
The US is a Democratic Republic.
Simple enuff.
You guys are all wrong btw
@Zero Two is back Basically they use votes to elect a person who they want the most, and then they push their agenda in congress or whatever, when it comes to presidential elections, people use the electoral college, in which the most votes toward a specific canidate causes people in a specific state to vote for the canidate that has the most votes, and then those votes are tallied and the canidate that has the most electoral college votes wins.
That is my point.
No one really can be exploited.
Because they would delay their means of production of the good.
@Zero Two is back But in the case of your "workers democracy", it is literally just a giant group of people working as a mob who determine everything out of what the mob decides, and anybody who disagree's will probabaly lose most of their teeth.
Surely they would get law enforcement to solve that problem.