You guys are all wrong btw

@Zero Two is back Basically they use votes to elect a person who they want the most, and then they push their agenda in congress or whatever, when it comes to presidential elections, people use the electoral college, in which the most votes toward a specific canidate causes people in a specific state to vote for the canidate that has the most votes, and then those votes are tallied and the canidate that has the most electoral college votes wins.

That is my point.

No one really can be exploited.

Because they would delay their means of production of the good.

@Zero Two is back But in the case of your "workers democracy", it is literally just a giant group of people working as a mob who determine everything out of what the mob decides, and anybody who disagree's will probabaly lose most of their teeth.

Surely they would get law enforcement to solve that problem.

So they would rethink of what they did.

There is no state in a communist state....

Well I wouldn't really call it communism then?

Would I?

Ask any marxist who actually knows a damn about their belief, and they will tell you that once true communism is in place, there is no state.

But that would hardly come in our life time.

How would you know?

Was there actually an real communist state?

In any country?

They all claimed to be socialist states, which were progressing towards communism.

But they couldn't be Communist states.

Because they weren't that advance yet.

Well why coulden't they just up and at em abolish the state and everything that comes with it?

Well there is some problems with that.

You can't get rid of the government so fast.

Well what makes you think you can get rid of government at all?

Because the government is corrupt, I believe that you can share the wealth with other people.

Well if the government is corrupt then why use government at all to futher your goals?

You need to actually do it in case any other country is willing to attack me in the state it is in.

Do what?

Have a stable government.

But didn't you state that government is corrupt?

Yes.

How hypocritical.

But you can't get rid of the government too quickly.

That's what people misunderstand about communism.

And why is that?

That is why they need socialism as well.

The end goal is to get rid of class.

Class and heirarchy will always be present no matter what.

For as of right now they will be.

As I said before,

No, they will ALWAYS, be present.

We are not advance yet to get rid of class.