fun game

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration

check out the casualty counts in this article. none of the historians can agree.

this was one of the largest army operations in the whole war

and documents are *shit*

@mcstubbs The whermact really didn't have much belief backing their operations as opposed to the SS, they were more like the general military than anything, while the SS were the paramilitary wing of the nazi party, and also had an offensive wing which involved itself in every war nazi germany was in, the SS who weren't waffen on the offensive were guards.

yeah, the SS were definitely more politically driven than the wehrmacht heer

Some of the whermact actually attempted to have hitler assassinated several times, none succeeding.

So it makes sense why they would be acquited.

valkyrie being the most famous and close to success IIRC

there was some compliance in war crimes though

manstein, for example, was a pretty dedicated nazi

the army helped round up Jews for the concentration camps and the various decrees made by Hitler that 'allowed' the German military to 'legally' commit war crimes.

They sounded committed enough to natsoc ideology to me

most historians agree actually

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left I think the SS actually played the biggest role in that.

the wehrmacht were definitely compliant

But then again, most details around the holocaust are foggy, and conflicting.

@Deleted User https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Wehrmacht

Okay?

The Wehrmacht is recognized by every reputable historian as a perpetrator of genocide.

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left And?

What do historians matter to me?

That's a good question

And are you going to continue with that comment?

I don't know what you think

i just got 11 ground kills in an il-2 on korea on war thunder without so much as seeing an enemy aircraft.

ama.

What I am stating is that I don't care about some historians who claim that what they think is unquestionabale, and anybody who does question their beliefs is automatically wrong.

i don't think they're being dogmatic about it

I wasn't stating it literally like that.

i think they're basically putting it out there that nobody was clean

especially not within the german ranks

And what I think is that they are talking from a prospective of authority and do not allow for questioning of their beliefs to happen.

But I think you are misunderstanding me.

>nazis dindu nuffin

He could've saved time and started with this

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left Like you don't have an ungodly amount of freetime that you woulden't have spent on discord regardless of this situation.

i mean, if they wanted to do that then they could have gone with something that was a bit safer

@mcstubbs Can you elaborate?

if anything, the clean wehrmacht archetype is easier to stomach