Message from @When Things Aren't Right Go Left
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yeah, i believe it. soviet documents are a clusterfuck
@mcstubbs Ehh, sounds more like banter and big talk, it is hard to say for certain, but it certainly dosen't match up with fucking removing people from history, forging historical documents, and outright lying.
@mcstubbs And, what do you mean about the german post war memoirs?
oh yeah, i just meant from a standpoint of analyzing casualty counts and the like
well, a lot of western understanding of the eastern front comes from these memoirs, which tend to paint wehrmacht actions in a very positive light compared to the soviets.
also
fun game
check out the casualty counts in this article. none of the historians can agree.
this was one of the largest army operations in the whole war
and documents are *shit*
@mcstubbs The whermact really didn't have much belief backing their operations as opposed to the SS, they were more like the general military than anything, while the SS were the paramilitary wing of the nazi party, and also had an offensive wing which involved itself in every war nazi germany was in, the SS who weren't waffen on the offensive were guards.
yeah, the SS were definitely more politically driven than the wehrmacht heer
Some of the whermact actually attempted to have hitler assassinated several times, none succeeding.
So it makes sense why they would be acquited.
valkyrie being the most famous and close to success IIRC
there was some compliance in war crimes though
manstein, for example, was a pretty dedicated nazi
the army helped round up Jews for the concentration camps and the various decrees made by Hitler that 'allowed' the German military to 'legally' commit war crimes.
They sounded committed enough to natsoc ideology to me
@When Things Aren't Right Go Left I think the SS actually played the biggest role in that.
the wehrmacht were definitely compliant
But then again, most details around the holocaust are foggy, and conflicting.
Okay?
The Wehrmacht is recognized by every reputable historian as a perpetrator of genocide.
What do historians matter to me?
That's a good question
And are you going to continue with that comment?
I don't know what you think
i just got 11 ground kills in an il-2 on korea on war thunder without so much as seeing an enemy aircraft.
ama.
What I am stating is that I don't care about some historians who claim that what they think is unquestionabale, and anybody who does question their beliefs is automatically wrong.
i don't think they're being dogmatic about it
I wasn't stating it literally like that.
i think they're basically putting it out there that nobody was clean
especially not within the german ranks
And what I think is that they are talking from a prospective of authority and do not allow for questioning of their beliefs to happen.
But I think you are misunderstanding me.