I disagree about fetishism

Why?

Because there is no such a thing. Marx is Dialectical Materialist which is against all fetish by its principles.

how do you mean fetish?

I mean Marx does not think commodity is something special

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i would say freud's analysis of humanity was extremely pessimistic, and for communism to succeed, people must be assumed to be able to rationally ascertain their needs and abilities and cooperate willingly with others, often against fears and prejudices.
bernays would have agreed with this observation for a fact, and that humans are not rational

freudian psychoanalysis and communism/anarchism are not compatible

@Azaz3l /USSR все еще жив?

why doesnt Mr E love me

Ну есть движуха некоторая, да

@Azaz3l чья движуха?

Да 3,5 анона там постят

Щас буржуи набегут ибо по-русски в чате пишем

https://www.marxists.org/archive/brinton/1972/reich2.htm @alines

Раньше туда понаехали поклонники Скепсиса и Кагарлицкого, я с тех пор и не заходил.

Там мемасы в основном постят, серьезной дискуссии нет

Тут как будто по-другому. А где она сейчас есть?

the way i understand, reich believed that the irrational nature of humans was good.
basically freud's theory of psychoanalysis, but turned on its head, or inverted as it were.
following his teachings, the left in the 60's sought to de-program individuals from capitalism to become individuals first, so that they would be able to defy social norms.
however, the freudian psychoanalysts found a way to hijack it, and that was how raegan and thatcher won their elections in the 80's.
i do not want to repeat the mistakes of radical individualism. it failed

I think Marxism lost a lot by rejecting Freud completely.

I think both individual psyche and social system are important to study. We should not confine ourselves to an extreme production-based theory but to take in account genetics and psychology of an individual.

If we come from both sides we won't lose on anything.

i suppose that may be true.
honestly, "boomer" individuals may have stood not to recapitulate to capitalism via consumerism by simply reading stirner and becoming aware of how capitalists and the government may try to manipulate them.

the biggest shame is that they recapitulated to capitalism in a smaller time window than the soviet union, and they recapitulated PRETTY HARD to it and very easily at that

so full acceptance of psychoanalysis will lead to catastrophic failure for theft

yet again

That is true, but also completely disregarding psyche of an individual is a common mistake right now in Marxism.

I was into psychotherapy long before becoming Marxist.

It works.

But too many Marxists are disregarding it completely.

so i guess in many ways, being conscious individuals, and remaining conscious anti-capitalists is the best conceivable approach.
i guess it's a good thing we're taking that approach right now

I think there is no primal necessity in consciousness. People may be guided when asleep.

and it is okay to be guided

no shame

what i mean by "conscious individuals" is asserting our own self-determination.
both as individuals and collectives.
the key is to not mind terribly what we cannot fully rationalize or even be aware of.
but do mind it when you can be bothered to do so

I think self-determination is also not a necessity.

One may be determined by another.

then at the very least as collectives with a shared understanding of society and its needs

we can't let others dictate our needs for us, as bernays dictated, and as focus groups dictated

Why not?

i mean not externally.
because if there is no shield against reprogramming, we will suffer a reinstantiation of the 20th century, which ended in defeat.
we can allow those who sympathize with us to guide, but only up to a certain point.
word of mouth would be best, advertizing, not so much