Message from @Brickiest Brick

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2018-06-30 00:44:26 UTC  

trading occurs on the commune level

2018-06-30 00:44:27 UTC  

But it’s an unregulated marketplace so wouldn’t that be a form of capitalism

2018-06-30 00:44:41 UTC  

Gift economy presupposes no currency

2018-06-30 00:45:02 UTC  

Wouldn’t a currency system begin to develop naturally as well

2018-06-30 00:45:09 UTC  

Why would it?

2018-06-30 00:45:23 UTC  

Bartering, Gift Economy, and Communal Living make it a non factor

2018-06-30 00:45:26 UTC  

To make trade easier and to give things value

2018-06-30 00:45:40 UTC  

No reason to give things value when the commune works together

2018-06-30 00:45:46 UTC  

Value is purely subjective

2018-06-30 00:46:14 UTC  

Trade necessitates on Marx's axiom "to each according to their need, from each according to their ability"

2018-06-30 00:46:18 UTC  

So 100% of the commune would do equal amounts of work

2018-06-30 00:46:33 UTC  

And the value of their work would be the same regardless of the job

2018-06-30 00:46:34 UTC  

No, just what needs to be done or what one wants to do

2018-06-30 00:46:48 UTC  

They wouldn't recieve anything

2018-06-30 00:47:32 UTC  

They would work in a syndicate doing whatever they wanted to do, live in a home they have either built or occupied; communally or alone

2018-06-30 00:47:48 UTC  

So like a capitalist system

2018-06-30 00:48:19 UTC  

No in a capitalist system you have to work for money, in an anarchist system you work for whatever you want

2018-06-30 00:48:32 UTC  

Without a state, you are ultimately responsible for yourself

2018-06-30 00:48:44 UTC  

But it is hopeful that you would want to help the community around you

2018-06-30 00:48:53 UTC  

Teaching would be ad hoc

2018-06-30 00:49:07 UTC  

So instead if earning money to buy a house someone else already built and making it my own, instead I am forced to build the house myself

2018-06-30 00:50:04 UTC  

Or live in communal housing or work with a group of people and form your own residential syndicate and build a place or find a commune with room

2018-06-30 00:50:14 UTC  

There are ways to not build the house yourself

2018-06-30 00:50:25 UTC  

It simply requires utilizing the community

2018-06-30 00:50:46 UTC  

Yes but for the most part if I want my own property I have to create it all myself

2018-06-30 00:52:56 UTC  

Not really, getting to specific on the anarchist day-to-day can be tricky as I only can speak for my own perspective and not anarchists as a whole, but I enjoy the idea that a syndicate can be formed to build homes for the commune and the members of that syndicate volunteer, are rewarded with benefits by the commune (as decided by the commune via democratic vote), and are skilled and proficient.

2018-06-30 00:53:21 UTC  

Like I said though these specifics will always be debatable until full realization

2018-06-30 00:53:29 UTC  

Well of course

2018-06-30 00:54:02 UTC  

Creating an anarchist society would require everybody to act in a way that benefits the entire commune

2018-06-30 00:54:31 UTC  

However what if the act that the person is doing benefits the commune, but not himself

2018-06-30 00:54:31 UTC  

There is much reason to believe they would act for the commune

2018-06-30 00:54:44 UTC  

Would he continue to do it

2018-06-30 00:54:56 UTC  

Betterment of the commune and community can help him

2018-06-30 00:55:39 UTC  

If everything else is supplied by the commune, surely a man may act solely for the commune

2018-06-30 00:55:50 UTC  

As acting for the commune is acting for himself

2018-06-30 00:56:07 UTC  

Once the commune stops supplying him in totality, then the man can act more for himself

2018-06-30 00:56:45 UTC  

What do you mean by that last part

2018-06-30 00:59:47 UTC  

Same

2018-06-30 01:06:39 UTC  

So imagine Bill is working as part of a one-man syndicate created by a democratic vote of the entire community of Anarchyville commune. Bill volunteered and works alone and is solely tasked with monitoring cyber security of the Anarchyville website. He does not generate anything for himself such as food, entertainment, art, materials, etc. He commits his labor solely for the commune and is thus fully rewarded by the commune. Bill has an overstocked fridge. If a vote is past that removes Bill form his post or for some other reason Bill no longer perform, he can do some other work. Producing food, entertainment, art, materials, etc. These things he can keep for himself and own some of his own production. He may lose out on an overstocked frdige, but still have a good one and will have units of his own production at his disposal for trade (i.e. Bill writes songs and is gifted food or other things; Bill produces clothing and can keep the clothes he makes as surplus). Basically, every worker is entitled to the fruits of their labor unless they are working for something for the commune as a whole. When they work for the commune as a whole they are reimbursed with extra things such as food.

2018-06-30 01:07:02 UTC  

As always, the exactness of this illustration is debatable upon submission of better alternative

2018-06-30 01:07:40 UTC  

Ok so that makes sense