Message from @Brickiest Brick

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2018-06-30 01:40:02 UTC  

Would at least some of them not want to be paid for it

2018-06-30 01:40:16 UTC  

They don't have to give anything to the commune

2018-06-30 01:40:22 UTC  

Its all voluntary

2018-06-30 01:40:28 UTC  

For support of the commune

2018-06-30 01:41:13 UTC  

Well yeah but I’m just saying that a market system forming is inevitable

2018-06-30 01:41:25 UTC  

Markets are fine, capitalism is not

2018-06-30 01:41:45 UTC  

But honestly it really isn't inevitable

2018-06-30 01:42:09 UTC  

And Markets themselves can be regulated or even abolished depending on a commune vote

2018-06-30 01:42:43 UTC  

How could they be abolished

2018-06-30 01:43:00 UTC  

If they were abolished, people would stop providing goods

2018-06-30 01:43:16 UTC  

Not really, they would just provide to the commune or keep for themselves

2018-06-30 01:43:40 UTC  

Collectivized job sites also kind of form their own commune

2018-06-30 01:43:42 UTC  

But that would mean a crucial main source of a good for the commune is now gone

2018-06-30 01:43:49 UTC  

Why would they do that

2018-06-30 01:44:00 UTC  

Why would who do what?

2018-06-30 01:44:06 UTC  

Eliminate markets

2018-06-30 01:44:14 UTC  

And other people who are a part of the commune would pick it up

2018-06-30 01:44:24 UTC  

and eliminating markets is just meaning the gift economy

2018-06-30 01:44:36 UTC  

though it would probably follow from the abolition of currency

2018-06-30 01:45:26 UTC  

Why would they pick it up though

2018-06-30 01:45:41 UTC  

This particular farmer or farmers were the best in their firld

2018-06-30 01:45:42 UTC  

Cause they don't want to starve?

2018-06-30 01:45:43 UTC  

Field

2018-06-30 01:45:57 UTC  

They made the highest quality food and knew how to farm

2018-06-30 01:46:10 UTC  

Eventually the cycle will happen again

2018-06-30 01:46:16 UTC  

Another farmer will be the best

2018-06-30 01:46:21 UTC  

And they will get frustrated

2018-06-30 01:46:25 UTC  

And stop producing

2018-06-30 01:46:33 UTC  

Why do they get frustrated?

2018-06-30 01:46:56 UTC  

Because they will feel like they are working too hard and not getting a reward they deserve

2018-06-30 01:47:09 UTC  

Then they don't have to work that hard

2018-06-30 01:47:25 UTC  

If you are making most of the food or the highest quality food then you come to expect some mor respect in your society

2018-06-30 01:47:51 UTC  

Then society will give it, but no hierarchy will be created to give power to them

2018-06-30 01:47:55 UTC  

Why wouldn’t you want people to work harder this is counter-productive this kind of society discourages technology

2018-06-30 01:48:15 UTC  

Progress stops

2018-06-30 01:48:46 UTC  

Actually it expands the capacity for innovation by freeing people to fully explore their ideas risk free without fear of starvation for trying

2018-06-30 01:49:25 UTC  

But for farming if you don't want to work that hard then dont, tell the commune, a commune-mandated-syndicate will draft a new schedule, and the slack will be picked up elsewhere

2018-06-30 01:50:15 UTC  

But the point is, people want to work harder and do the best they possibly can

2018-06-30 01:50:34 UTC  

Some people do it better than others, and they want rewards they feel justify their skill

2018-06-30 01:50:42 UTC  

If they don’t get that, they will quit

2018-06-30 01:50:46 UTC  

Progress stops