and we found artifacts

https://www.ancient.eu/Mesopotamia/

"The gods were thought to be present in the planning and execution of any building project and very specific prayers, recited in a set order to the proper deity, were considered of utmost importance in the success of the project and the prosperity of the occupants of the home."

mesopotamia was a theocracy

it was planned top-down to please the gods

>central planning is capitalist

Capitalism is defined by a market economy

not by money

oh so we're back to the whole "ideologies mean fuck all because I say they do"

thing

capitalism can have central planning now

Fuckin chinks, eh?

yes but that does not create capitalism either

the market does

property is not capitalism either

"people owned property therefore capitalism"

you have property in socialism too

feudalism is capitalism I guess

OK one last time

THE MARKET

is what defines capitalism

or more strictly the "free market"

@PugSlugger stop copying marx dumb commie

and when did people start owning the means of production individually? The late enlightenment.

and the emerging market made it possible

"free" market

is what i said

but before then it was not capitalism

so then where do we disagree again?

I guess that a government controlled centrally planned economy is capitalism now

hey have I ever told you about the glorious capitalist USSR?

we were arguing about when capitalism began

what does china have to do with itt

china was definitely not capitalist back in the days of the emperors

government fucking controlled all of the property so that they could please the gods

so do you still believe capitalism started before the late enlightenment or not?

it's hardly capitalism if there's no private property and no free markets

When was there capitalism before then?

***furious typing***

Personal property is not private property