Message from @comuna redpill

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2018-08-03 00:11:04 UTC  

What a fuckfest

2018-08-03 00:11:22 UTC  

@PugSlugger remember his name

2018-08-03 00:11:25 UTC  

F

2018-08-03 00:11:47 UTC  

mr. e is next

2018-08-03 00:11:48 UTC  

calling it now

2018-08-03 00:12:15 UTC  

>The man who literally bankrolled the Bolshevik Revolution was an anti-Leninist.

2018-08-03 00:12:24 UTC  

@comuna redpill seems like a stretch, you got a source?

2018-08-03 00:14:08 UTC  

This brings us to another aspect of the question of the state apparatus. In addition to the chiefly "oppressive" apparatus—the standing army, the police and the bureaucracy—the modern state possesses an apparatus which has extremely close connections with the banks and syndicates, an apparatus which performs an enormous amount of accounting and registration work, if it may be expressed this way. This apparatus must not, and should not, be smashed. It must be wrested from the control of the capitalists; the capitalists and the wires they pull must be cut off, lopped off, chopped away from this apparatus; it must be subordinated to the proletarian Soviets; it must be expanded, made more comprehensive, and nation-wide. And this can be done by utilising the achievements already made by large-scale capitalism (in the same way as the proletarian revolution can, in general, reach its goal only by utilising these achievements).

Capitalism has created an accounting apparatus in the shape of the banks, syndicates, postal service, consumers' societies, and office employees' unions. Without big banks socialism would be impossible.

The big banks are the "state apparatus" which we need to bring about socialism, and which we take ready-made from capitalism; our task here is merely to lop off what capitalistically mutilates this excellent apparatus, to make it even bigger, even more democratic, even more comprehensive. Quantity will be transformed into quality. A single State Bank, the biggest of the big, with branches in every rural district, in every factory, will constitute as much as nine-tenths of the socialist apparatus. This will be country wide book-keeping, country-wide accounting of the production and distribution of goods, this will be, so to speak, some thing in the nature of the skeleton of socialist society.

2018-08-03 00:14:38 UTC  

It was took out of context

2018-08-03 00:15:03 UTC  

And many statements were cut off

2018-08-03 00:17:54 UTC  

This quotation pretty much confirms that the revolution of 1917 was a follow up of the one in 1789, except those same (((merchants))) who ran those banks were able to exercise even more power and enslavement.

2018-08-03 00:18:09 UTC  

That's not the case at all

2018-08-03 00:18:10 UTC  

Lenin is a terrific writer.

2018-08-03 00:18:16 UTC  

Nope

2018-08-03 00:18:32 UTC  

State and the revolution is very good

2018-08-03 00:18:43 UTC  

And his notes on hegel are superb

2018-08-03 00:19:11 UTC  

And many of his collected works have a political firmness out of league

2018-08-03 00:20:06 UTC  

Plus beare the fact that the translations can have a weight on the final result specially with languages like Russian

2018-08-03 00:20:44 UTC  

They misstranlate from German until today imagine back then with Russian texts

2018-08-03 00:21:30 UTC  

He shows a significant different state structure

2018-08-03 00:21:49 UTC  

I would suggest his collected works and state and the revolution

2018-08-03 00:24:31 UTC  

Question

2018-08-03 00:24:58 UTC  

What is the difference between Trotskyism and Leninism

2018-08-03 00:25:11 UTC  

Albeit the abridged version of the quote appears to be out of context, the conclusion to which the full quote arrives is the same while travelling a different route to it. @comuna redpill

2018-08-03 00:25:36 UTC  

Trotskyism is skeptical of the proletarian peasant alliance

2018-08-03 00:25:45 UTC  

And is liquidationist

2018-08-03 00:26:05 UTC  

@Deleted User if you are brain dead maybe yes

2018-08-03 00:26:27 UTC  

nice

2018-08-03 00:26:28 UTC  

trotskyism is a term that you use to describe people you don't like

2018-08-03 00:26:34 UTC  

Proletarian peasant alliance?

2018-08-03 00:26:35 UTC  

That too

2018-08-03 00:27:01 UTC  

@Frosty the union of the proletariat with the small and middle peasant class

2018-08-03 00:27:17 UTC  

The lower sections of the middle peasant class

2018-08-03 00:27:24 UTC  

So bad more communist than Lenin?

2018-08-03 00:27:31 UTC  

Nope

2018-08-03 00:27:36 UTC  

Fun fact I’ve been to Lenin’s tomb

2018-08-03 00:27:38 UTC  

Just left deviationist

2018-08-03 00:27:56 UTC  

Left deviationism is anti marxist

2018-08-03 00:28:03 UTC  

Lenin wrote on that

2018-08-03 00:28:16 UTC  

Left communism an infatile desorder

2018-08-03 00:28:18 UTC  

To many terms