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2018-11-14 00:14:52 UTC  

And that would definitely make the proletariat' life much better

2018-11-14 00:15:16 UTC  

their sole role is collecting and maintaining wealth, not to be confused with earning it

2018-11-14 00:16:20 UTC  

"Earning it" = inheriting it from his father, who inherited it from his father, etc.

2018-11-14 00:16:38 UTC  

which is why the incentives argument for capitalism is ironic: why should one work for the benefit of another who will only collect the fruits of their labour for their own gain?

2018-11-14 00:16:59 UTC  

Because of the illusion of promotion

2018-11-14 00:18:05 UTC  

for the prospect of starting a business yourself?

2018-11-14 00:18:12 UTC  

also that is how most entrepreneurs start a business, because unlike most people, they have the money to start up, and something to fall back on

2018-11-14 00:18:21 UTC  

exactly

2018-11-14 00:18:25 UTC  

they just inherited it

2018-11-14 00:18:29 UTC  

exactly

2018-11-14 00:19:30 UTC  

Accumulation of wealth at one pole is at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole.

2018-11-14 00:19:57 UTC  

^

2018-11-14 00:20:09 UTC  

'incentives'

2018-11-14 00:21:15 UTC  

I wonder how incentivised component part assemblers in foxconn are when they know Tim Cook owns the world's first $1tr company and they can barely get by

2018-11-14 00:22:29 UTC  

How else could we find a system where things like the Iphone could flourish?

2018-11-14 00:22:48 UTC  

Maybe the Soviet Union

2018-11-14 00:22:52 UTC  

iPhones are shit anyway lol

2018-11-14 00:22:55 UTC  

Considering they invented cellphones

2018-11-14 00:23:18 UTC  

true, the SU also had video games

2018-11-14 00:23:23 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/512059939204759569/image0.jpg

2018-11-14 00:24:01 UTC  

But seriously, financial incentive is not the only incentive, nor the best or most effective incentive there is for productive capacity to flourish

2018-11-14 00:24:59 UTC  

the myth is that people like Leonid woud build this phone because she dreams of getting rich one day? But talented individuals usually care more about their craft than anything else

2018-11-14 00:26:22 UTC  

People who care for their craft will put more effort into it

2018-11-14 00:26:44 UTC  

Financial incentive motivates people to cut corners

2018-11-14 00:26:55 UTC  

Or things like art, commercial art. Netflix or what not.

2018-11-14 00:27:14 UTC  

How did USSR artists get funding for movies?

2018-11-14 00:27:45 UTC  

look at open source games and whatnot

2018-11-14 00:28:41 UTC  

people put effort into that, surely, but are willing to let it be enjoyed by others at no expense

2018-11-14 00:29:02 UTC  

There’s nothing immoral about the accumulation of wealth

2018-11-14 00:29:26 UTC  

Are you a Bible thumper or what?

2018-11-14 00:29:52 UTC  

yes?

2018-11-14 00:29:54 UTC  

The accumulation of wealth alone is immoral

2018-11-14 00:30:00 UTC  

Isn't it fair for someone who dedicated so much time into it to be rewarded at least by making a living out of it, or a getting better condition

2018-11-14 00:30:42 UTC  

Who says they can't?

2018-11-14 00:31:02 UTC  

Each to his ability

2018-11-14 00:31:08 UTC  

How is it immoral?

2018-11-14 00:31:17 UTC  

Soviet Borzo just cleared that up with his quote from Lenin's state and the revolution

2018-11-14 00:31:58 UTC  

it is immoral because you are doing nothing to earn it, and those earnings do not come from mars

2018-11-14 00:32:05 UTC  

The morality rests upon the person using it

2018-11-14 00:32:16 UTC  

What do you mean doing nothing to earn it?

2018-11-14 00:32:24 UTC  

oh hey hooty is back