Message from @Markos

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2019-02-03 22:38:46 UTC  

Probably.

2019-02-03 22:38:55 UTC  

I just think you're clinging to a historical vision of doing things and you need to modernise

2019-02-03 22:39:01 UTC  

What would you say you agree with? What would be your ideal society?

2019-02-03 22:39:13 UTC  

I don't know my friend

2019-02-03 22:39:20 UTC  

But it would not be a capitalist one

2019-02-03 22:39:29 UTC  

"Modernize" lol. Leftism is all about progress. Progressing past the modern way of doing things.

2019-02-03 22:39:30 UTC  

Since Socialism is about seizing and increasing productive forces, finance isn't immediately useful, especially since after a revolution currencies go to shit

2019-02-03 22:39:42 UTC  

The idea what what is now must necessarily exist forever is corrosive.

2019-02-03 22:39:50 UTC  

Because I think capitalism causes culture deterioration and I dislike that

2019-02-03 22:40:14 UTC  

I think materialism leads to nihilism and I think materialism comes with capitalism

2019-02-03 22:40:31 UTC  

You sound SocDem to me.

2019-02-03 22:40:34 UTC  

I don't think you should say that leftism is all about progress

2019-02-03 22:40:47 UTC  

I'm not a believer in democracies

2019-02-03 22:40:54 UTC  

But it is. Or at least an aspect of it is.

2019-02-03 22:40:57 UTC  

You and Bordiga.

2019-02-03 22:41:08 UTC  

Most of your talking points seem straight from 4chan

2019-02-03 22:41:31 UTC  

Also, no fucking duh Capitalism causes cultural deterioration. How can you have a culture and market? Anything that can be sold *will* be sold.

2019-02-03 22:41:57 UTC  

Most of USA culture comes from Corporations.

2019-02-03 22:42:17 UTC  

If you say that progress is an intrinsic property of something I think that would result in culture deterioration also

2019-02-03 22:42:22 UTC  

Why is a wedding ring a cultural symbol of marriage? Da Beers said so. Why is bacon an eggs a staple of American Breakfast? Fucking Edward Bernays.

2019-02-03 22:42:41 UTC  

USA is capitalist culture that is the culture

2019-02-03 22:42:59 UTC  

Cultures will change no matter what we do. It's just the change shouldn't be synthetic and caused by someone trying to sell you something.

2019-02-03 22:43:05 UTC  

But here in Europe we were not always this way it is because of America that we have become that way

2019-02-03 22:43:18 UTC  

You did it to yourselves, be honest.

2019-02-03 22:43:32 UTC  

Matter and motion, everything is in constant change, including culture. You are swimming up stream if you hold onto it too tightly

2019-02-03 22:43:45 UTC  

What with the fact Europe took over 90% of the world.

2019-02-03 22:44:15 UTC  

I do not care about this though

2019-02-03 22:44:26 UTC  

Sure, some of the cultural exchange helped them a lot. Many things from the America's sparked European culture like Tomatoes, chocolate, vanilla, peppers, and quinine.

2019-02-03 22:44:40 UTC  

You should. It was a crucial part in history and had a massive impact.

2019-02-03 22:44:50 UTC  

Oh yeah, and the potato. That also helped out Europe.

2019-02-03 22:45:16 UTC  

It is true and I have been born into the historical context that I have been born into but I don't even consider the prospect of being sorry about that

2019-02-03 22:45:29 UTC  

And I don't consider it something that Europeans brought upon themselves

2019-02-03 22:45:41 UTC  

Who said sorry?

2019-02-03 22:45:46 UTC  

I never said feel sorry for it.

2019-02-03 22:45:55 UTC  

No I'm just saying

2019-02-03 22:45:59 UTC  

I just said it happened and lead to what is now.

2019-02-03 22:46:09 UTC  

And yes, Europeans did it to themselves.

2019-02-03 22:46:13 UTC  

You said we brought it on ourselves with the imperialism

2019-02-03 22:46:19 UTC  

I disagree

2019-02-03 22:46:29 UTC  

Yes, I did and fine but you're wrong.

2019-02-03 22:46:47 UTC  

I think Europe's colonialism and conquest was linked with the creation of its culture