Message from @Franz

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2019-02-17 21:10:44 UTC  

Corporatism is the fascist economic system, it's nothing to do with big corporations, it means the union of different industry sectors, state syndicates and small business into small "corporations" that represent each economic section and these "corporations" strive to do drive the economy in the best path for the nation and the people

2019-02-17 21:10:54 UTC  
2019-02-17 21:11:22 UTC  

sounds like state capitalism but with competition

2019-02-17 21:11:28 UTC  

bruh

2019-02-17 21:11:34 UTC  

how is this capitalism

2019-02-17 21:11:44 UTC  

you're still dealing with commodity production here

2019-02-17 21:11:44 UTC  

it's legit against both capitalism and communism

2019-02-17 21:11:49 UTC  

Sure is state capitalism

2019-02-17 21:11:59 UTC  

national ownership is still capitalist

2019-02-17 21:12:10 UTC  

because it's still being produced for the sake of production

2019-02-17 21:12:25 UTC  

it's being produced for the best of the nation's interests

2019-02-17 21:13:28 UTC  

still, you're producing it for exchange value as opposed to use value

2019-02-17 21:13:40 UTC  

that is a commodity

2019-02-17 21:14:08 UTC  

state-controlled commodity production is capitalist

2019-02-17 21:14:15 UTC  

this is why fascism is capitalism in decay

2019-02-17 21:17:11 UTC  

well yea, considering Fascist economics retain some elements of both sides, but it's still not a threat just as nowadays capitalism is

2019-02-17 21:19:56 UTC  

it's still a pretty major threat as you will always have the influence

2019-02-17 21:20:05 UTC  

as long as there is capitalism, there will be capitalists

2019-02-17 21:20:08 UTC  

read wealth of nations

2019-02-17 21:20:48 UTC  

no, the influence would not be there, most things would be formed by small business that would be regulated into doing the best of the nation's and people's interests

2019-02-17 21:21:03 UTC  

and big corporations would not even have any influence whatsover

2019-02-17 21:21:11 UTC  

no business would have influence over the state

2019-02-17 21:21:12 UTC  

so the cuban model?

2019-02-17 21:21:14 UTC  

or the NEP?

2019-02-17 21:21:44 UTC  

lenin must've been a fascist then

2019-02-17 21:22:22 UTC  

also the big international corporations wouldn't be present, only national markets and business would be granted incentives

2019-02-17 21:22:45 UTC  

you're just describing cuba here

2019-02-17 21:23:05 UTC  

well as I said

2019-02-17 21:23:12 UTC  

Fascism has elements of both sides so

2019-02-17 21:23:15 UTC  

communism is fascist I guess

2019-02-17 21:23:19 UTC  

no

2019-02-17 21:23:26 UTC  

communism is internationalistic

2019-02-17 21:23:35 UTC  

therefore it's incompatible with fascism

2019-02-17 21:23:53 UTC  

but capitalism requires expansion and growth in order to function

2019-02-17 21:24:02 UTC  

any fascist state would have to be imperialistically expanding constantly

2019-02-17 21:24:47 UTC  

again, we are not capitalistic and Fascist states can stay on their own

2019-02-17 21:25:08 UTC  

Fascist states in the past expanded, but for different reasons

2019-02-17 21:25:11 UTC  

and some didn't

2019-02-17 21:25:14 UTC  

have you ever seen fascism without capitalism?

2019-02-17 21:25:41 UTC  

tell me exactly what in fascism is so capitalistic

2019-02-17 21:26:01 UTC  

I still can't see it