I think the will of the people is either upheld by the people or it isn't upheld at all

I like to draw a comparison to Star Wars under Disney

The problem is that there is a clear contrast between anarchy and monopoly of force.

And a clear lifecycle for a human organization.

Meaning it grows exponentially until it is unable to.

I'm not sure what you mean

If you dismantle government; business would take on the mantles of government and become like government.

Because there would be a vacuum.

I know, and I accept that fact, but that's not a moral argument but a practical one

As far as I am concerned, no moral philosophy that isn't concerned with practical application is of much use to anyone.

I beg to differ

The practicality of spreading ideas is well documented

I mean why advocate a position that is impractical and not applicable to real-life?

You never know what comes next, everything starts with an idea

Why not try to find out to what extent an idea is applicable and practical and advocate for that?

We have done that already

I think it's time to continue thinking

I mean always keep thinking, and I can spout non-sensical overblown straight out the top of my dome ideas as well. And in a discussion we can try to reach the reasonable middle-ground, and I can try to make a point with an overly ideal narrative.

But as far as my actual political position goes will always be the one I think would work the best when applied.

I don't know how my idea is overblown non-sensical

I was talking about my own, haha.

My point stands though.

I'm making two arguments

One is that I think all initiation of force is immoral

Thus the government is immoral

I disagree with that.

But I do see where you are coming from.

My second argument is that every move towards liberty is moral, thus we should increase liberty

Like poverty, I think the application of force is inherit to our species.

How would you define liberty?

Liberty is when another person doesn't infringe on your pursuits (that must abide by the same principle)

I often use the word "human thriving" which is essentially when a human being feels he is in the right time, at the right place, doing the right things. I suppose my moral philosophy would be to attempt to maximize that.

A feels ideology?

Yes, I'm not ashamed of that.

I think people should have good lives and feel good about them.

Well you're lucky I'm not in the mood to mock people right now 😛

I think happiness is overrated

I agree.

And I'm not really arguing for happiness.

I'm arguing for meaning, I suppose. Having something to work towards.

Well that could be an interesting conversation but I'll have you know I'm an absurdist