Message from @Viτriol²
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What I see is that you're willing to give some people (in this case a perceived majority of people) a monopoly on force in order to undermine the economic pursuits of others (in this case a perceived minority of people), and I believe you justify that by saying that said economic pursuit is more destructive overall.
I'm not saying, however. That there should be no limits to government force, but I think there should be limits to what corporations and actors in the marketplace can and cannot do.
I also think there should be protections, as many as possible, levvied towards the minority.
I see your point, I'm just wondering why you think said force monopoly that undermines the free market is preferable to a few destroyed buildings
It's not only about those buildings, it's about the cultural heritage, and the monuments to our history.
A lot of historical monuments have been destroyed by people who believe that they should hold a monopoly on force
Absolutely.
But every monopoly of force is not equal.
In contrast, I don't think I can remember anywhere near as many cases where a profit-oriented mind has done that
I mean, I make no difference between an old woman's home that have been in her family for generations and the arc'd triumph.
Lately a lot of historic statues have been destroyed or vandalized, and the people who've done so had no interest in purchasing them beforehand
I think the consent of the governed; the majority should be represented when the community has contentions about a move.
In fact I would argue people who are willing to put up the money to buy a historic statue are far less keen on destroying it, speaking on average
No matter what that move is.
If that is true, then how effective is that regulation? I see nothing being done about those statues that have been destroyed
I agree that that is terrible, but it has nothing to do with my argument. I would argue that those were systems of organization that failed in upholding the will of the people, or perhaps the will of the people was with the iconoclasts who destroyed them and in that case I would be in the minority that wants history to be preserved.
I think the will of the people is either upheld by the people or it isn't upheld at all
I like to draw a comparison to Star Wars under Disney
The problem is that there is a clear contrast between anarchy and monopoly of force.
And a clear lifecycle for a human organization.
I'm not sure what you mean
If you dismantle government; business would take on the mantles of government and become like government.
Because there would be a vacuum.
I know, and I accept that fact, but that's not a moral argument but a practical one
As far as I am concerned, no moral philosophy that isn't concerned with practical application is of much use to anyone.
I beg to differ
The practicality of spreading ideas is well documented
I mean why advocate a position that is impractical and not applicable to real-life?
You never know what comes next, everything starts with an idea
Why not try to find out to what extent an idea is applicable and practical and advocate for that?
We have done that already
I think it's time to continue thinking
I mean always keep thinking, and I can spout non-sensical overblown straight out the top of my dome ideas as well. And in a discussion we can try to reach the reasonable middle-ground, and I can try to make a point with an overly ideal narrative.
But as far as my actual political position goes will always be the one I think would work the best when applied.
I don't know how my idea is overblown non-sensical
I was talking about my own, haha.
My point stands though.
I'm making two arguments
One is that I think all initiation of force is immoral
Thus the government is immoral