imo just supporting neither is the best

opening a country and expecting the western influence to modernize them, has been proven not to work

or just wait until saudi arabia ruins the oil market and they descent into poverty

Yea, i agree with that. If supporting neither was the choice, that would be best.

You can "reeducate" islamists

youve got north korea, Russia, China, Emirates, etc examples of it not working

None of those countries leadership really allows it though.

you can reeducate a single muslim, you can't make a regime to change its autoritarian ways, without use of extreme force

Irans leader ship wouldnt either

they hate the west

so do msot iranians

they few who dont either left or pretend they hate the wets to not get executed

If you think about it

the only time, a country was completely changed

was Japan after the 2 A bombs

Westernization and Freemarkets are hard to avoid, but obviously without the leadership stepping down, you won't get 100% of the benefits. You'll have situations like China that benefits from free market as long as everyone pretends that China isn't what China is. We're getting there, though.

hehe

Freedom bombs.

the Trauma completely redefined its identity

That or maybe the US rebuilding japan.

@Ryoma Nagare and after they were ruled by an american

and having a permanent base.

i mean surely after something like that rebuilding is to be exected

You think Germany or the Soviets would have rebuilt what they nuked?

I just say that an A bomb in Iran, wouldn't be the worst thing, if you could live with the cost of human life.

Nah, the opposite. The regular Iranian is sold on liberty, freedom and markets.

YOu'd be killing supporters

I feel they've been underused in "modern warfare"

@Ryoma Nagare ok Mac Arthur

lol

calm down

Nukes have lasting effects

Could be why.

especially modern nukes

true, but so do 15 years of limited warfare

If you bomb Tehran with an A bomb, you'll be radiating multiple local countries and shit as well.

What Iran needs is a reason to have deplomatic elections.

The US welcoming them to the world stage in exchange for free elections would go a long way.

I bet they'd take it.

I don't think a well used tactical nuke exploding at the correct altitude, generates that much fallout

but probably yeah , and thats why they haven't been used