But anyway, him being atop that boat undoubtedly saved several lives.

i think it's lowe i was referring to, but Lightoller killed lots of men

Christ, getting pulled into the ship through the funnel hole sounds horrifying.

He kept balance on the boat, so the air trapped underneath wouldn't escape, sinking it. Ironically, Harold Bride, jr. wireless operator, ended up *under* that boat for quite a while.

That goes right down to the boilers, IIRC

Lightoller killed no one.

You're right, Sneeki.

he didn't let men into the lifeboats

Also, Lowe killed no one.

lowe killed no one

i'm saying lightoller did

by not letting men into hte lifeboats

based on the fact they were men

He was the only one to organize a party to go back to look for swimmers. Unfortunately, he left it too late.

lifeboats were lowered with less people in them

did he intend to kill people? no.

was it malicious? no

Lightoller was following the captain's orders. If you're gonna blame anyone, blame Smith, who froze when he should have been proactive.

And he wasn't the only one who was under-filling the lifeboats.

it's too easy to blame the dead

we should blame the living!

Lightoller is dead too.

who carried out those orders to the tee

not by the time of delivering the reports to the inquest

and therein lies his culpability

Dude, you didn't get to be second officer of the largest liner in the world by disobeying orders.

Ultimately, the captain is responsible for everything on his ship.

i agree with that

and that

i agree that it was handled perfectly for the time

allow me my opium fuelled revisionism 😛

Then judge the past by the standards of the past. Not by the standards of the present.

well i do when i'm looking at it in context

No you're not.

well obviously i do

because i was taking it out of context to revise it