i'm saying lightoller did

by not letting men into hte lifeboats

based on the fact they were men

He was the only one to organize a party to go back to look for swimmers. Unfortunately, he left it too late.

lifeboats were lowered with less people in them

did he intend to kill people? no.

was it malicious? no

Lightoller was following the captain's orders. If you're gonna blame anyone, blame Smith, who froze when he should have been proactive.

And he wasn't the only one who was under-filling the lifeboats.

it's too easy to blame the dead

we should blame the living!

Lightoller is dead too.

who carried out those orders to the tee

not by the time of delivering the reports to the inquest

and therein lies his culpability

Dude, you didn't get to be second officer of the largest liner in the world by disobeying orders.

Ultimately, the captain is responsible for everything on his ship.

i agree with that

and that

i agree that it was handled perfectly for the time

allow me my opium fuelled revisionism 😛

Then judge the past by the standards of the past. Not by the standards of the present.

well i do when i'm looking at it in context

No you're not.

well obviously i do

because i was taking it out of context to revise it

ie. what went wrong

yeah?

afaik we still use women and children first

why

i'm raising the idea that it might lead to the deaths of people

as it has done historically

would people opt to not get off a sinking ship though? what's changed?

there's more to it than meets the eye

An interesting fact: none of the *Titanic*'s surviving officers received a command of their own. It was seen as unlucky, a sign of ill-fortune or lack of ability to promote an officer of a sunken ship in such a way, despite any subsequent heroism.

that's cool to learn