@Seven Proxies indeed, i dislike that too. Wage depression harms others in other countries at the expense of the people at the bottom, who have to sell their trades/skills/labour to live

@Kealor And I'm saying that I disagree with the notion that workers should compete against employers and vice versa. I'm saying that some of the greatest strides made in production, distribution and development come primarily from employers competing against other employers in their eternal one upmanship.

globalism causes wage depression, as does mass immigration

Marxism is what they were trying, and it's working the same way it worked under Marx. It's a crumbling pile of shit, and frankly the anglosphere deserves every moment of it

State boot licker.

That's what socialists are.

@Seven Proxies saying individuals shouldnt compete is kind of silly though, because they allways will. people allways compete

They spread their ass for the government control.

@Saul Just as it harms the poorer countries in the sense that richer countries basically steal their skilled labourers and trained professionals. The poorer countries enable their education only to see that investment being lost to richer countries because the richer countries offer higher wages.

should is nice and all, but in this case its not going to affect anything

@Seven Proxies it's in my interest to benefit the company i work for and provide a better service, as they're more likely to be willing to pay more for my services..thus i sell my labour for even more.

i see unionisation and what socialists want as an attack on my ability to do that, as the effort i put in, the skills i have and experience i have, will supercede that of other people i work with and thus i should naturally earn more anyway

Unions are shit

and indeed, brain drain is cancer

Call me what you will, there is no more reason to support libertarianism. I don't want this world of childless white women, fathers watching their kids stabbed on the street, children transitioned, or the left printing books about children fucking adults

Nah unions have got some uses, its jsut when they get too much power they fuck everything up

@Kealor Not necessarily. I think some people are happier in a less competitive and more solidaric and collectivist mindset. Whereas others thrive on competition. So the issue is how do you ensure that society can accomodate both kinds.

ala mclusky in the 70's and 80's

I don't want any of it, and if a state is who is required to fire the bullet, than a state is precisely what we'll make

i dont like the idea of "we need doctors and nurses from abroad to save the NHS!!"

no we need to make becoming a nurse in the UK cheaper and easier, while maintaining the same high standards of care & skill. I want nursing to become a vocational thing via the British NVQ (scotland it's SVQ) system

@Saul My typos will be the death of me.

@Saul that statement is retardedly backwards.

They have made it easier, by lowering the standards.

The only other thing you could do is remove absolutely all the "doctors" you've taken from overseas

@Seven Proxies an identical argument applies to crime "people shouldnt commit crimes, because they arent conducive to lasting happiness"

The thing I love about this, is all of you who talk about fairness between the races, won't live out the next crash

The problem is not the doctors that are coming in. It's the doctors that are leaving.

@JackH670 ill be on vc later but to sum it up not shocked, running against brexit when most of the people want it is retarded

you will never 100% get rid of crime, just as you will never 100% get rid of competition

@Seven Proxies im running errands at the moment , do you vc?

how so? if it's cheaper to train to be a nurse and done via a tiered system, where you are required to do on the job training/residency, with higher NVQs qualifying you to do X types of procedures or day to day things a nurse does.

oh he's self aware

interesting

I wonder why someone in a global society would flee when new people come in, and the standards lowered

are you a britbong @Reprehensibletrash ?

@JackH670 im not pro eu

never have been

@BabaBooey just communism

Actually there are loads of doctors, secret fact the army has hundreds of them that the nhs *COULD* use but does not, same for medics tbh

Am I British? Why?

any socialist worth their salt hates the EU