Not authority to e.g., perform miracles

So the Holy Spirit can create miracles thru any denomination, be it catholic or protestant?

Yeah, whenever He wants to, that's up to Him

Right so have there ever been any successors that have deviated from the Church's teaching?

Through a Muslim is He really wanted to

Yes @Oboe

current ~~pope~~

Example

Arius

Yes, many

Men are fallible

Men are fallible but the Holy Spirit is not

And these people having the lineage to the apostles should be justified through their authority to define doctrine?

They can define doctrine in a very limited sense.

*very* limited

But if they used that authority to contradict scripture is nullified?

Can anyone define doctrine who isnt of the historical lineage?

Not really, like they can, but it wouldn't be as reliable

Of course we have layman biblical scholars and everything

They can’t contradict any of three things. A. Sacred Scripture B. Sacred Tradition C. Sacred Magisterium

But that's not the same as the teaching authority of the Church defining a doctrine

Now, I know this may be a bit difficult but do you have any sources that proves absolutely that either an apostle or a disciple of an apostle believed in doctrine such as infant baptism, the veneration of saints, or a literal interpretation of the bread and blood?

Not necessary

Is that a no?

Did I say no?

You didn't give a direct answer

I was asking if you had it

brb

back

My answer is that it’s not relevant. I can provide sources that the college of bishops, as the direct successors to the apostles, have defined dogmatically the real presence of the Eucharist. And have authorized and recommended both infant baptism and veneration of saints

My issue is whether we confirm that these traditions are truly apostolic

I answer yes

And what source would you cite?

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html#irenaeus

Veneration of saints wasn’t because *there weren’t any at the time*

Irenaeus knew John the Apostle and also met I think James the Greater

Oh btw

Regardless of view

I think we can appreciate this

inb4 “muh female minister of communion”

muh female minister of communion