Message from @Sven Brender

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2019-08-30 18:27:59 UTC  

HAHAHA

2019-08-30 18:28:03 UTC  

THE FUCKING OLD GODS

2019-08-30 18:28:33 UTC  

They arent real

2019-08-30 18:31:29 UTC  

I believe that the gods exist in a sort of hierarchy with us. They have dominion over us, similar to our relationship with animals. Even though they are gods, they are often represented as very human in their behaviour. We ourselves can see that we are often animalistic in *our* behaviour.

I believe that such structures are much more realistic than the notion of some all-mighty godly father who makes us all suffer greatly just to pass his test (a test that makes no sense because he presumably created our soul or our being and made us wander the earth. Thus, our flaws are his fault)

2019-08-30 18:31:38 UTC  

can you prove it

2019-08-30 18:31:46 UTC  

No.

2019-08-30 18:32:31 UTC  

then why do you believe this to be true

2019-08-30 18:32:49 UTC  

"Magic" is just science we don't understand yet. Long ago, people believed that things were magical that we now understand as logical scientific processes.

2019-08-30 18:33:08 UTC  

yes

2019-08-30 18:33:24 UTC  

There are enough signs to point us slightly in the direction that divinity may exist

2019-08-30 18:33:36 UTC  

such as?

2019-08-30 18:33:54 UTC  

Magic is for heathens and pagans.

2019-08-30 18:33:56 UTC  

Same thing.

2019-08-30 18:33:56 UTC  

I mean we know how the universe came about

2019-08-30 18:34:01 UTC  

(I believe that this might be a subconcsious effort to allow me to cope with the world by finding hope in gods)

2019-08-30 18:34:02 UTC  

we know how humans got on Earth

2019-08-30 18:34:22 UTC  

o

2019-08-30 18:34:32 UTC  

Unlike most christians, I don't believe the divine was omnipresent. I believe that it too was created by the big bang

2019-08-30 18:35:39 UTC  

Something spiritual and non material cannot be created.

2019-08-30 18:35:43 UTC  

I used to be *very* atheist but it gave me no resolution. With this faith, I have a set of values that helps me better resolve internal conflict.

2019-08-30 18:35:53 UTC  

@Deleted User I do not believe it to be non material

2019-08-30 18:36:00 UTC  

that is why I don't believe in an afterlife

2019-08-30 18:36:01 UTC  

i managed to do that without faith

2019-08-30 18:36:09 UTC  

Spiritualism and materialism are not connected.

2019-08-30 18:36:31 UTC  

Well I also have issues so yeah having something to guide me just a little bit is just fine for me thanks

2019-08-30 18:37:32 UTC  

Why are you pagan, paganism isnt an universal religion, its folk culture taken to fanatical level that has no desire for progress or answers.

2019-08-30 18:38:15 UTC  

I'm not entirely sure whether to call it spiritualism. Honestly. I don't think these "Gods" are some metaphysical entity. I believe that they are very much material just far from what we can comprehend. Animals can't comprehend human psychology, why should we be able to comprehend what we call gods?

2019-08-30 18:38:31 UTC  

Paganism allows for progress much more than christianity.

2019-08-30 18:38:52 UTC  

Pagans didnt have progress because didnt see need for it or desire.

2019-08-30 18:39:06 UTC  

We don't have some ancient book that tells us to hate gays

2019-08-30 18:39:30 UTC  

We dont need an ancient book to apply basic biology and natural order.

2019-08-30 18:39:35 UTC  

That book only makes it clear.

2019-08-30 18:39:37 UTC  

If there is no need for progress and no desire (I'm talking about society right now), there should be no progress

2019-08-30 18:39:58 UTC  

You are mistaking advancements for progress.

2019-08-30 18:40:01 UTC  

And new things.

2019-08-30 18:40:17 UTC  

If the entire world didn't want gay marriage, why should it be implemented? (I'm not against gay marriage)

2019-08-30 18:40:21 UTC  

Advancements can be reactionary.

2019-08-30 18:40:43 UTC  

Advancement in science and technology is important.

2019-08-30 18:40:51 UTC  

Paganism does not restrict that

2019-08-30 18:40:52 UTC  

Desire for gay marrige was manifactured.

2019-08-30 18:41:30 UTC  

Honestly I am not going to get into that now.