Message from @Veraic

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2019-12-12 05:11:10 UTC  

What is in common for human desires and supreme desires that leads you to calling both of them desires

2019-12-12 05:12:21 UTC  

desire is a thing you want or crave, the only thing common about the 2 is that the Lord wishes for his disciples to keep the faith growing and continuing the worship of him, fi that were to stop then he sends himself down to personally correct it.

2019-12-12 05:12:33 UTC  

its not like he needs to sleep, eat or drink anything like that

2019-12-12 05:12:38 UTC  

unless hes in a human form

2019-12-12 05:12:45 UTC  

Ok so god does want things

2019-12-12 05:12:47 UTC  

its kinda hard to articulate

2019-12-12 05:12:57 UTC  

I don’t know why you’re complicating it

2019-12-12 05:13:09 UTC  

God either wants things or doesn’t want things

2019-12-12 05:13:18 UTC  

well i said that above

2019-12-12 05:13:32 UTC  

you just said god wants things, ie there are things that he could potentially be/not be in accord with.

2019-12-12 05:13:55 UTC  

You said god doesn’t have desires in the way humans do

2019-12-12 05:13:55 UTC  

yes all beings want things to happen

2019-12-12 05:14:07 UTC  

But it sounds like god does have desires in the same sense that humans do

2019-12-12 05:14:11 UTC  

not bodily desires

2019-12-12 05:14:14 UTC  

is what i meant

2019-12-12 05:14:26 UTC  

god having desires at all means he is not perfect

2019-12-12 05:14:27 UTC  

I don’t see why what the desire is about is relevant to my objection

2019-12-12 05:14:46 UTC  

If you claim your god is perfect, and also has desires, your god is contradictory

2019-12-12 05:14:55 UTC  

how is that contradictory

2019-12-12 05:15:04 UTC  

What the fuck is this shitty conception of desire

2019-12-12 05:15:04 UTC  

that the Lord wants his followers to keep worshiping him

2019-12-12 05:15:17 UTC  

Ah, yes. I agree with your central point though I find your conclusion to be faulty. I would simply say that it is not God being unable to do something, but rather his allowing us to harbour free will. With regards to desire, God harbours desire such as desiring for us to follow his law. It is not that we nor God have the inability to do this, rather he suspends his interference to allow for us to choose. @Blueroad

2019-12-12 05:15:25 UTC  

^^

2019-12-12 05:15:34 UTC  

yes thats what i meant

2019-12-12 05:15:38 UTC  

Because to have desires entails that there’s potential to be out of accord with that desire(which god is)

2019-12-12 05:15:50 UTC  

To have potential or to be actually out of accord with desires means to be imperfect

2019-12-12 05:16:05 UTC  

The desire isn't regarding himself

2019-12-12 05:16:09 UTC  

We've been over this

2019-12-12 05:16:11 UTC  

No, God is not unable to achieve, he chooses not to allow himself to achieve to safeguard free-will.

2019-12-12 05:16:11 UTC  

@Romanov so god desires us to not follow his desires

2019-12-12 05:16:18 UTC  

its not about Lord himself

2019-12-12 05:16:20 UTC  

No.

2019-12-12 05:16:21 UTC  

its purly about us

2019-12-12 05:16:22 UTC  
2019-12-12 05:16:28 UTC  

So god does desire us to follow his desires?

2019-12-12 05:16:34 UTC  

Wdym?

2019-12-12 05:16:57 UTC  

God desires us to follow his desires, and following necessitates free will

2019-12-12 05:17:05 UTC  

@Blueroad I am curious, what are your religious adherences?

2019-12-12 05:17:07 UTC  

On gods view it would be a better world if we did everything it says we should?

2019-12-12 05:17:10 UTC  

God desires us to follow his desire to follow his law.

2019-12-12 05:17:10 UTC  

No ad hominem, just curious.