Message from @Veraic

Discord ID: 654553182168547328


2019-12-12 05:18:28 UTC  

From Hinduism to Shinto.

2019-12-12 05:18:29 UTC  

God is not lacking anything when he desires, that's like claiming us not being pure act means God isn't pure act

2019-12-12 05:18:35 UTC  

What matters is the fact that a perfect being possessing a desire, which entails a potential to be out of accord with the desire, isn’t actually perfect

2019-12-12 05:18:44 UTC  

I already summarised it.

2019-12-12 05:18:48 UTC  

God isn't the subject

2019-12-12 05:18:52 UTC  

^

2019-12-12 05:18:53 UTC  

You have to address this

2019-12-12 05:19:12 UTC  

God has no desire for himself or anything about him

2019-12-12 05:19:21 UTC  

Address what?

2019-12-12 05:19:23 UTC  

thats irrelevant

2019-12-12 05:19:27 UTC  
2019-12-12 05:19:30 UTC  

Rather God's desire is in union with himself

2019-12-12 05:19:43 UTC  

it doesnt matter who you say the desire is for.

2019-12-12 05:19:51 UTC  

It does buddy

2019-12-12 05:20:00 UTC  

Yeah if god is out of accord with his desires, which he is in light of a single bad existing (-> Omni benevolence) then god isn’t fully actualized

2019-12-12 05:20:04 UTC  

And imperfect as well

2019-12-12 05:20:04 UTC  

its not, because your argument is that if he has desires then hes not perfect.
Gods only desire is that you follow natural law and worship him

2019-12-12 05:20:17 UTC  

You act as if time doesn't exist

2019-12-12 05:20:28 UTC  

Such low rigor in your argument

2019-12-12 05:20:29 UTC  

@Eoppa if something is complete, can you complete it?

2019-12-12 05:20:39 UTC  

time is cyclical

2019-12-12 05:21:30 UTC  

I’m not sure how you actually addressed the entailment eoppa. You’re just psueding out instead of showing how a potential to be out of accord with what’s desired rules out the property of being purely actual

2019-12-12 05:21:33 UTC  

1) God brings things to fruition across time 2) Free will is necessary to his desires

2019-12-12 05:21:43 UTC  

God obviously as of right now isn’t observing a world that’s in accord with its desire

2019-12-12 05:21:47 UTC  

He's not out of discord with his own desire

2019-12-12 05:21:48 UTC  

We are

2019-12-12 05:21:54 UTC  

That's such a bad argument

2019-12-12 05:22:10 UTC  

God desires us to be in accord with its desires or not?

2019-12-12 05:22:19 UTC  

Yes he does

2019-12-12 05:22:21 UTC  

badd dodge

2019-12-12 05:22:21 UTC  

Ok

2019-12-12 05:22:38 UTC  

So god isnt actually existing in its best possible state because the world isn’t existing at it desires

2019-12-12 05:22:47 UTC  

Because we aren’t in accord with its desires

2019-12-12 05:22:50 UTC  

False

2019-12-12 05:22:51 UTC  

Which is its desires

2019-12-12 05:22:56 UTC  

the Lord does not change

2019-12-12 05:23:07 UTC  

The correct phrasing is God desires us to freely follow him

2019-12-12 05:23:09 UTC  

the material world can change, but that does not change the Lord

2019-12-12 05:23:25 UTC  

Ok so go also desires us to freely not follow him?

2019-12-12 05:23:35 UTC  

You’re going down the same path as the first one

2019-12-12 05:23:38 UTC  

lol