Message from @Joywolf
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I’m fairly certain Thomas Aquinas explained this in his thesis.
i cannot see any instance in which god is not in accordance with his desires
Regarding the topic of potentiality.
yes but he didnt address this point because its not really an argument tbh
@Spergerger he is not in accord with his desires if his desire is for us to do the right thing and we're not doing it
i dont see how you can ignore this
lol
it doesnt matter whos the subject of his desire
its still his desire
@Spergerger Of course, because he’s omnipotent. What we think of desires correlating to potentiality is our material worldview of it. We cannot effectively depict the exactness of God’s desires for the world, but we ultimately know that he is in accordance for them.
no
thats wrong
he desires us to choose to do the right thing
if we cannot choose then he would actually be out of accordance
am i missing something, because i keep repeating the same argument, and dont feel like theyre even grasping us
but you seem to think that god didnt intend to give free will or somthn
@Spergerger did god desire to give us free will?
at some point, we didnt have free will, so he was out of accord with that desire and had the potential to be in accord with it
he desired us to have free will
and he is not out of accordance with that at any time ever in the history of humanity
lol
we have always had free will ffs
Kant made an argument on that in his novel.
okay
EOC im gaining nothing from this debate
talk to me after you have a good think about what the actual argument is
Why, because no one follows your nonsensical contrarianism?
Which is effectively composed of strawman arguments?
lol
strawmen arguments
right
As far as I recall, you’ve just been a sperg this whole time, while casting the blame on others.
so thats two incoherent example in which you fail to demonstrate a supposed lack of accordance
but they were basically just 2 ways of saying the same thing
so its more like 1 incoherent example
like what you guys have been responding to me this entire time @Enkrum
lmao
i think this debate is concluded
theists won obviously
we need some kind of scoreboard actually
lmao
People have provided a slurry of explanations, each varying in content, but essentially carrying the same message. So I would say their theological perspectives are fairly well-founded.
"theist won"
scores broken down by race religion and country?
individual scoreboard?
maksim would always win doe lol
Beyond the “complexity” of your argument, it literally boils down to “iF bAd ThInG hApPeN, wHy DoEs GoD eXiSt.”