its still his desire

@Spergerger Of course, because he’s omnipotent. What we think of desires correlating to potentiality is our material worldview of it. We cannot effectively depict the exactness of God’s desires for the world, but we ultimately know that he is in accordance for them.

no
thats wrong
he desires us to choose to do the right thing
if we cannot choose then he would actually be out of accordance

@Blueroad

am i missing something, because i keep repeating the same argument, and dont feel like theyre even grasping us

but you seem to think that god didnt intend to give free will or somthn

@Spergerger did god desire to give us free will?

at some point, we didnt have free will, so he was out of accord with that desire and had the potential to be in accord with it

he desired us to have free will
and he is not out of accordance with that at any time ever in the history of humanity

lol

we have always had free will ffs

Kant made an argument on that in his novel.

lol

okay

EOC im gaining nothing from this debate

talk to me after you have a good think about what the actual argument is

Why, because no one follows your nonsensical contrarianism?

Which is effectively composed of strawman arguments?

lol

strawmen arguments

right

As far as I recall, you’ve just been a sperg this whole time, while casting the blame on others.

so thats two incoherent example in which you fail to demonstrate a supposed lack of accordance
but they were basically just 2 ways of saying the same thing
so its more like 1 incoherent example

like what you guys have been responding to me this entire time @Enkrum

lmao

i think this debate is concluded
theists won obviously
we need some kind of scoreboard actually

lmao

People have provided a slurry of explanations, each varying in content, but essentially carrying the same message. So I would say their theological perspectives are fairly well-founded.

"theist won"

scores broken down by race religion and country?

individual scoreboard?

maksim would always win doe lol

Beyond the “complexity” of your argument, it literally boils down to “iF bAd ThInG hApPeN, wHy DoEs GoD eXiSt.”

its a modified form of it tbh

made to be extra annoying

@Enkrum no not at all, thats a seporate argument completely

and you just stating it as if its a sperg isnt actually an argument

@Spergerger You can certainly see similarities.

lmao

its a distinction without a difference

@Spergerger ‘ey what do you think of the nondenominational Christians, anyway.