so it was a strawman

fuck you

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What kind of democracy do you propose then?

(keep in mind "fuck you" isn't a very convincing argument either)

Someone wants democracy? kek

Did he not just state he was a communist, though.

Can you explain a form of democracy that isn't subject to the same flaws I've already described?

Class is inevitable and a natural thing.

@Enkrum dude said he wants to make the means of production democratically controlled

Good luck getting anywhere beyond workplace bureaucracy.

representative democracy. the workplace should be organized into unions the represent the interests certain groups, who will come together to make decisions on the process of production

im a fan of the ideas of the socialist labor party of america and daniel de leon

socialist industrial unionism

workplace is already pretty bureaucratic but in a top-down sort of way. you might as well have a say in how its run

And so

Hypothetically

Are unions immune to thinking stupid shit?

also @Ater Votum it isnt and ur appealing to nature which isnt always a good thing

no one's immune to thinking stupid shit

but hopefully if they do other workers would be able to shut them down thru the democratic process

class has been an intergral element in almost off of human culture, its arogant to think that its not apart of human nature when even animals have a caste system in place

What if most of the people think something stupid?

Then they democratically shut down the people who are correct

^ the masses are retarded

people individually are smarty

but once a group has formed

most will follow whoever takes control

@adolphus the sorrowful thats wrong, there are great examples in both the USSR and China.

I'll use an example personal to you @adolphus the sorrowful

I don't know much about you but

which is why you need a largely educated population... but anyways. what if the sky was fuckin purple? you could go on and on about what ifs. democracy isn't a flawless system, but its been the one to be the most efficient in organizing human society for near millennia

I know you've been convinced democracy is good

it is generally speaking

Which is an example

Of a stupid belief

That is prevalent

@adolphus the sorrowful the modern world has the most access to all of human knowledge yet we fall for the same tricks as past ages

wow you blew my mind

fuck you lol

>cant argue so he goes for the insults