Message from @adolphus the sorrowful
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im not an advocate of direct democracy
Please refrain from using that in the future as an argument
so it was a strawman
fuck you
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What kind of democracy do you propose then?
(keep in mind "fuck you" isn't a very convincing argument either)
Someone wants democracy? kek
Did he not just state he was a communist, though.
Can you explain a form of democracy that isn't subject to the same flaws I've already described?
Class is inevitable and a natural thing.
@Enkrum dude said he wants to make the means of production democratically controlled
Good luck getting anywhere beyond workplace bureaucracy.
representative democracy. the workplace should be organized into unions the represent the interests certain groups, who will come together to make decisions on the process of production
im a fan of the ideas of the socialist labor party of america and daniel de leon
socialist industrial unionism
workplace is already pretty bureaucratic but in a top-down sort of way. you might as well have a say in how its run
And so
Hypothetically
Are unions immune to thinking stupid shit?
no one's immune to thinking stupid shit
but hopefully if they do other workers would be able to shut them down thru the democratic process
class has been an intergral element in almost off of human culture, its arogant to think that its not apart of human nature when even animals have a caste system in place
What if most of the people think something stupid?
Then they democratically shut down the people who are correct
^ the masses are retarded
people individually are smarty
but once a group has formed
most will follow whoever takes control
@adolphus the sorrowful thats wrong, there are great examples in both the USSR and China.
I'll use an example personal to you @adolphus the sorrowful
I don't know much about you but
which is why you need a largely educated population... but anyways. what if the sky was fuckin purple? you could go on and on about what ifs. democracy isn't a flawless system, but its been the one to be the most efficient in organizing human society for near millennia
I know you've been convinced democracy is good
it is generally speaking
Which is an example
Of a stupid belief
That is prevalent
@adolphus the sorrowful the modern world has the most access to all of human knowledge yet we fall for the same tricks as past ages
wow you blew my mind