Message from @Eoppa

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2019-10-18 03:00:11 UTC  

It’s an economic and political system

2019-10-18 03:00:16 UTC  

Marx was a direct ideological descendent of Adam Smith and John Locke

2019-10-18 03:00:18 UTC  

Very very cringe

2019-10-18 03:00:33 UTC  

Like capitalism has been so great lol

2019-10-18 03:00:50 UTC  

You can have Great Leap Forward/Great Purge
You can have hardline liberals who want to fight for „justice“

2019-10-18 03:00:59 UTC  

Both claim to act under Marx‘s guidance

2019-10-18 03:01:17 UTC  

The first group is more marxist then the second tbh

2019-10-18 03:01:20 UTC  

Well "the dialectic" isn't exactly a moral compass. It's a power analysis

2019-10-18 03:01:45 UTC  

I agree it is more Marxist

2019-10-18 03:01:55 UTC  

Modern China is trying to use it

2019-10-18 03:02:14 UTC  

Forcibly industrializing a rural country like China and Russia

2019-10-18 03:02:20 UTC  

That is a success of communism

2019-10-18 03:02:45 UTC  

Well I mean to be fair, I don't blame China

2019-10-18 03:02:47 UTC  

Both countries were absolute shitholes before communism

2019-10-18 03:02:58 UTC  

We are in a world where capitalism won

2019-10-18 03:03:13 UTC  

Any attempt to disconnect or isolate yourself from it is useless

2019-10-18 03:03:13 UTC  

China opened their markets wisely

2019-10-18 03:03:20 UTC  

Well capitalism winning is a good thing to Marx

2019-10-18 03:03:27 UTC  

That's a stage in the dialectic

2019-10-18 03:03:37 UTC  

Any attempt to disconnect and isolate leads to North Korea or Soviet Union, the former unless you’re a world power

2019-10-18 03:03:52 UTC  

China, the Soviets, etc understand you can't go to communism or socialism without building capital

2019-10-18 03:03:55 UTC  

Marx couldn't predict modern capitalism

2019-10-18 03:04:03 UTC  

Nobody could

2019-10-18 03:05:08 UTC  

Computers and automation were supposed to end long and hard work, but instead people work harder and work more, after being in more debt from a young age, and being encouraged, especially in the US and W. Europe, to credit credit credit

2019-10-18 03:05:17 UTC  

„Don’t have the money? Put it on the card!“

2019-10-18 03:05:56 UTC  

I’d call the USA more „semi corrupt oligarchy“ than „capitalism“

2019-10-18 03:06:05 UTC  

At least from what I understand of US politics

2019-10-18 03:06:29 UTC  

And european countries are generally more mixed economies that there is genuine multi party system

2019-10-18 03:07:37 UTC  

Marx didn’t know this would happen

2019-10-18 03:08:00 UTC  

I was more talking about effects of neo liberalism on capitalism not technology

2019-10-18 03:08:06 UTC  

And 1929 then 2008 should have been enough a lesson about the whole credit problem

2019-10-18 03:08:41 UTC  

For example

2019-10-18 03:09:17 UTC  

Marx couldn't predict that eventually the bourgeoisie wouldn't be using cultural means and the media/press to keep capitalism alive

2019-10-18 03:09:31 UTC  

Since in the time he wrote das kapital and the manifesto

2019-10-18 03:09:47 UTC  

When workers protested capitalism

2019-10-18 03:09:51 UTC  

It was met by force

2019-10-18 03:10:04 UTC  

^^

2019-10-18 03:10:04 UTC  

That cant happen in post Marx society

2019-10-18 03:10:15 UTC  

To be fair

2019-10-18 03:10:29 UTC  

None of us could have predicted the immense liberal shift in the 1900s

2019-10-18 03:10:30 UTC  

The bourgeoisie understand this