Message from @Asdrubal

Discord ID: 651586611724943391


2019-12-04 00:50:23 UTC  

The state is supremely oppressive*

2019-12-04 00:50:25 UTC  

Local governments should be abolished completely

2019-12-04 00:50:44 UTC  

the state is a natural and essential part of civilization

2019-12-04 00:50:59 UTC  

The Nation comes first, not some rural redneck or urban soyboy

2019-12-04 00:51:08 UTC  

Public/State ownership and control of the means of production; cooperative business is allowed to exist
Heavy environmental protections
Planned economy
Minimal taxation - ideally *none* but that is perhaps unrealistic
State-subsidized culture fund

2019-12-04 00:51:32 UTC  

@☭ ⊕ Korovsky ⊕ ☭ minimal taxation in what regards

2019-12-04 00:51:36 UTC  

Corporation tax?

2019-12-04 00:51:38 UTC  

Income?

2019-12-04 00:51:42 UTC  

Land?

2019-12-04 00:51:44 UTC  

implying corporation will exist

2019-12-04 00:51:47 UTC  

Income tax

2019-12-04 00:51:47 UTC  

Inheritance?

2019-12-04 00:51:50 UTC  

@Deli.v2 Did early humans have a state? The state is not essential to the longevity of civilization

2019-12-04 00:51:59 UTC  

Again

2019-12-04 00:52:00 UTC  
2019-12-04 00:52:04 UTC  

Revert to barter system

2019-12-04 00:52:07 UTC  

early humans were cro-magnons too

2019-12-04 00:52:14 UTC  

barbarians

2019-12-04 00:52:16 UTC  

Their state was just tribalistic

2019-12-04 00:52:29 UTC  

With a head of Government, it's ministers, and taxpayers

2019-12-04 00:52:34 UTC  

Only use gold and silver for transactions that cant be done through barter system

2019-12-04 00:52:38 UTC  

State does not equal government, they had tribal governance but not a state apparatus

2019-12-04 00:53:11 UTC  

State - of or relating to the central civil government or authority.

2019-12-04 00:53:37 UTC  

And there was no state or central authority, only a government

2019-12-04 00:53:50 UTC  

The Government was the central authority

2019-12-04 00:53:55 UTC  

Therefore making it a state

2019-12-04 00:53:57 UTC  

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2019-12-04 00:54:39 UTC  

Local governments, again, should not exist at all in any form

2019-12-04 00:54:50 UTC  

Only the national Government

2019-12-04 00:54:53 UTC  

The state is a permanent aspect, governments are not permanent

2019-12-04 00:55:04 UTC  

Elaborate

2019-12-04 00:55:50 UTC  

A nation state is designed to remain in place whilst governments are temporary, whilst states are all encompassing

2019-12-04 00:56:09 UTC  

you just repeated your statement with more words

2019-12-04 00:56:14 UTC  

The nation is a silly concept, it's vague and created by power-hungry Enlihgtenment/post-Bourbon Overthrow leaders to justify the unjust

2019-12-04 00:56:21 UTC  

^

2019-12-04 00:56:38 UTC  

Local governance all the way

2019-12-04 00:57:08 UTC  

What humans are made for is to follow community bonds, based on real commonalities, not le same language and lame anthem

2019-12-04 00:57:11 UTC  

the nation and the state are two different things

2019-12-04 00:57:22 UTC  

Yes they are

2019-12-04 00:57:30 UTC  

No

2019-12-04 00:57:31 UTC  

So under your system Maksim, could I own a private factory and profit assuming I wasn't against the national interests?