Message from @Deli.v2

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2019-12-04 00:52:14 UTC  

barbarians

2019-12-04 00:52:16 UTC  

Their state was just tribalistic

2019-12-04 00:52:29 UTC  

With a head of Government, it's ministers, and taxpayers

2019-12-04 00:52:34 UTC  

Only use gold and silver for transactions that cant be done through barter system

2019-12-04 00:52:38 UTC  

State does not equal government, they had tribal governance but not a state apparatus

2019-12-04 00:53:11 UTC  

State - of or relating to the central civil government or authority.

2019-12-04 00:53:37 UTC  

And there was no state or central authority, only a government

2019-12-04 00:53:50 UTC  

The Government was the central authority

2019-12-04 00:53:55 UTC  

Therefore making it a state

2019-12-04 00:53:57 UTC  

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2019-12-04 00:54:39 UTC  

Local governments, again, should not exist at all in any form

2019-12-04 00:54:50 UTC  

Only the national Government

2019-12-04 00:54:53 UTC  

The state is a permanent aspect, governments are not permanent

2019-12-04 00:55:04 UTC  

Elaborate

2019-12-04 00:55:50 UTC  

A nation state is designed to remain in place whilst governments are temporary, whilst states are all encompassing

2019-12-04 00:56:09 UTC  

you just repeated your statement with more words

2019-12-04 00:56:14 UTC  

The nation is a silly concept, it's vague and created by power-hungry Enlihgtenment/post-Bourbon Overthrow leaders to justify the unjust

2019-12-04 00:56:21 UTC  

^

2019-12-04 00:56:38 UTC  

Local governance all the way

2019-12-04 00:57:08 UTC  

What humans are made for is to follow community bonds, based on real commonalities, not le same language and lame anthem

2019-12-04 00:57:11 UTC  

the nation and the state are two different things

2019-12-04 00:57:22 UTC  

Yes they are

2019-12-04 00:57:30 UTC  

No

2019-12-04 00:57:31 UTC  

So under your system Maksim, could I own a private factory and profit assuming I wasn't against the national interests?

2019-12-04 00:57:56 UTC  

The state is what enforces the nation. Abolish the nation and you have no state, and vice versa

2019-12-04 00:58:10 UTC  

Yea agree

2019-12-04 00:58:13 UTC  

Correct

2019-12-04 00:58:29 UTC  

@21ooAB You could, assuming you priced fair and did not mistreat your employees

2019-12-04 00:58:44 UTC  

Seems fine to me.

2019-12-04 00:58:58 UTC  

the people are the nation, hence things like national spirit, or for example Korea is considered one nation as it is a similar people with historic ties to each other, but yet they have 2 states.

2019-12-04 00:59:10 UTC  

IMO, I think many of the rich tend to be...subversive

2019-12-04 00:59:15 UTC  

The ultra rich at least

2019-12-04 00:59:19 UTC  

Eat the rich

2019-12-04 00:59:32 UTC  

Anyway, the reason why fascism / totalitarian ideologies are doomed to fail, is because they don't acknowledge the importance of immediate bonds

2019-12-04 00:59:51 UTC  

What about Austrofascism @ʙɪɢ βɵʂʂ 𠄩

2019-12-04 01:00:32 UTC  

still cringe

2019-12-04 01:00:49 UTC  

@ʙɪɢ βɵʂʂ 𠄩 That's not why any fascist system collapsed but ok

2019-12-04 01:01:23 UTC  

For example, the region of Europe we refer to as Germany was a rich tapestry of local cultures and systems that worked well enough for them, and any attempt to create a "german" nationalism, such as the Nazis, is basically built on a fantasy

2019-12-04 01:01:27 UTC  

And fascism is cringe

2019-12-04 01:01:38 UTC