Message from @CaesarKonrad

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2019-12-12 00:29:08 UTC  

They propagandize people to live in hedonistic pleasure

2019-12-12 00:29:19 UTC  

ya, because of ageless undying corporate entities. remove corporate personhood and make individuals responsible again

2019-12-12 00:29:41 UTC  

You could still do things as a collective if you choose but a person would be responsible

2019-12-12 00:29:54 UTC  

How would you make them responsible if they have neither morals nor a superior regulatory organization.

2019-12-12 00:30:07 UTC  

Natural Law

2019-12-12 00:30:08 UTC  

Corporations control social morals

2019-12-12 00:30:50 UTC  

That would just result in them pursuing self-interest, meaning pooling of more resources in almost exclusively their favor. That breaks the ability to hamper the control of corporations.

2019-12-12 00:30:54 UTC  

Like today, it's very clear that our leaders no longer represent the best interests of the people they serve.

2019-12-12 00:31:04 UTC  

That’s because of capitalism

2019-12-12 00:31:27 UTC  

that's because of rampant regulation.

2019-12-12 00:31:36 UTC  

it has nothing to do with capitalism

2019-12-12 00:31:49 UTC  

What rampant regulation.

2019-12-12 00:31:51 UTC  

capitalism is the natural state

2019-12-12 00:32:01 UTC  

Yes because politicians are owned by corporations to push what they want because of regulations

2019-12-12 00:32:02 UTC  

humans trading labor for value

2019-12-12 00:32:03 UTC  

Okay

2019-12-12 00:32:15 UTC  

Corporations are continuously attempting to lobby to Congress and attempt to pass themselves off as personal entities.

2019-12-12 00:32:17 UTC  

there is literally no other way

2019-12-12 00:32:22 UTC  

That’s counterintuitive to regulation.

2019-12-12 00:32:25 UTC  

No?

2019-12-12 00:32:33 UTC  

Corporatism and socialism

2019-12-12 00:32:41 UTC  

Agreed with corporatism.

2019-12-12 00:32:52 UTC  

besides Luxury gay space Communism....which is a fantasy.. this is not star trek

2019-12-12 00:33:03 UTC  

I agree more with corporatism but not socialism

2019-12-12 00:33:23 UTC  

Corporatism is an interesting mixed economic model.

2019-12-12 00:33:30 UTC  

Corporatism is epic

2019-12-12 00:33:35 UTC  

And so natsyndie

2019-12-12 00:33:44 UTC  

I haven’t studied that one enough.

2019-12-12 00:37:31 UTC  

Capitalism is a replication of natural biology. Organisms trade effort/work for resources/value.
The ONLY way to form a society without labor/value exchange is if you remove the biological element. Therefore Socialism and Communism advocate for the destruction of not only individuality but natural biological function as a whole.
The only way for Communism to work is to remove the human element.

2019-12-12 00:38:13 UTC  

**mic drop**

2019-12-12 00:41:01 UTC  

That's absolutely fine. Capitalism is basically the method to sustain the upkeep of the state; a planned economy is needed while you're establishing the state because you need to allocate raw materials/sectors that will ultimately allow you to prop up the consumer economy at a later time.

But to recklessly pursue unregulated capitalism is dangerous in that you would allow predatory corporations to destroy that competition, and in turn hamper innovation.

2019-12-12 00:41:03 UTC  

Even in Star Trek they realized that it was retarded to just fly around not paying for anything, that's why they invented "platinum bars" as a medium of exchange.

2019-12-12 00:42:05 UTC  

Well if there is a predator nature will find a way around it. either by killing the beast or evolving to not be threatened

2019-12-12 00:42:13 UTC  

"Nature finds a way"

2019-12-12 00:42:16 UTC  

So you need some form of regulation, which we are currently lacking because of evident tax loopholes for corporations and PAC lobbying.

2019-12-12 00:42:21 UTC  

oh ye of little faith

2019-12-12 00:42:39 UTC  

How will you kill the megacorporation.

2019-12-12 00:42:40 UTC  

What is a porcupine?

2019-12-12 00:42:43 UTC  

Say, you're a layman.

2019-12-12 00:43:20 UTC  

a layman can fire a cannon and gun

2019-12-12 00:43:24 UTC  

And you see this large multicorp, that has developed for several years, has multiple shareholders, and has successfully lobbied the government multiple times to the point where they are more than willing to bail it out in the case they file for bankruptcy, I.E. GM.