Message from @Gromp
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What is "right" to you may not be in line with what is right to me
So has slavery
Or feudalism
You wanna bring that back as well,
Feudalism wasnt bad
?
Slavery only has stigma due to American slavery
Well mean going from history hunter gatherer lifestyle was the one which lasted the longest
Anprim gang
You are strawmanning
I’m not
You can’t just cherry pick when it comes to history
"A straw man is a logical fallacy which occurs when a debater intentionally misrepresents their opponent's argument"
You literally just misrepresented my argument
And yes I can, that is history.
You’re saying values have inherent value if they stick around long nuff
I can pick a specific time period and say that is better than other time periods
By that logic hunter gatherer should be the optimal way to handle society
No, I am not
That is not my argument
That the values i mentioned are fundamental - and i don't mean "deeply rooted" by history - but deeply rooted in culture and that historically is proven to have worked. I can absolutely say that one time had better beliefs in my view than another time period, this is not cherry picking.
Just because something is deeply rooted doesn’t mean it’s valuable or efficient, the Chinese Empry lasted for 2 millennia
Look where they are now
The people were tired of them so they disposed of them
It worked.
For 2000 yearsd
Longer than most systems
Not forever tho, when the Qing got overthrown they were stuck in the past
Humiliated by other powers
Simply because they didnt industrialize
Yea because they saw it as a threat to their power
And?
And it was as seen with the Kuomintang
What's your point here
The values they held were fundamentally opposed to industrialization
Hence they engineered their own downfall
What values did they hold that were fundamentally opposed to industrialization?
Social Traditionalism is not in conflict with industrialization.
It is tho, you can’t have space travel whilst believing the earth is flat
Believing the earth is flat has nothing to do with social traditionalism, and you are over exasperating and bringing in irrelevant points with the earth is flat thing.