Message from @Maksim

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2019-12-06 22:16:39 UTC  

Like belief Christ is the son of God

2019-12-06 22:16:42 UTC  

That is fundmanetal

2019-12-06 22:16:49 UTC  

Because changing that would change everything

2019-12-06 22:17:24 UTC  

It was? The earth not being flat changed everything because it proves the heliocentric worldview and that the earth is not the center of the universe

2019-12-06 22:17:37 UTC  

That is not fundamental to Christian belief

2019-12-06 22:18:04 UTC  

It was a scientific dispute, not a theological dispute

2019-12-06 22:18:36 UTC  

Galileo was an adamant Christian, if it was fundamental he would've left the faith.

2019-12-06 22:18:38 UTC  

He didnt.

2019-12-06 22:18:38 UTC  

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast..

2019-12-06 22:18:41 UTC  

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2019-12-06 22:19:05 UTC  

The first one, has a very differnt meaning when in RSV

2019-12-06 22:19:18 UTC  

Translation has a big part of how you interpret it.

2019-12-06 22:19:39 UTC  

The 2nd one has nothing to do with flat eath

2019-12-06 22:19:45 UTC  

Neither does the 3rd one

2019-12-06 22:19:55 UTC  

Neither does the 4th

2019-12-06 22:20:03 UTC  

It calls the earth immovable

2019-12-06 22:20:13 UTC  

It’s referring to it as a forced object

2019-12-06 22:20:21 UTC  

No physically, not once does it refer to earth immovable as physically immovable

2019-12-06 22:20:50 UTC  

It is talking about God's reign over earth

2019-12-06 22:20:55 UTC  

that it will never be moved

2019-12-06 22:21:09 UTC  

That earth was created, and it will never *not* be earth

2019-12-06 22:21:53 UTC  

Christians held that belief however, it comes from Ptolemy which was deeply ingrained in European culture

2019-12-06 22:22:08 UTC  

So was their brilliant understanding of medicine

2019-12-06 22:22:44 UTC  

Christians held that belief does not mean it was inherently a Christian belief.

2019-12-06 22:22:52 UTC  

This was a scientific endeavor, not a theological one.

2019-12-06 22:23:29 UTC  

It was scientific belief, not a Christian belief.

2019-12-06 22:23:48 UTC  

Anyways i must go, @Gromp feel free to respond and ill respond once im back.

2019-12-06 22:23:54 UTC  

Nice Chat.

2019-12-06 23:17:01 UTC  

Spook discussion I see

2019-12-06 23:20:57 UTC  

yeh as far as im aware the belief in the flat earth was never part of christian doctrine and those bible quotes as maksim explained, do not say the earth is flat or that heliocentrism is wrong, the belief in the flat earth was fringe within christianity

2019-12-06 23:21:24 UTC  

from what i know flat earth and geocentrism is based in ancient astrology and mysticism

2019-12-06 23:21:54 UTC  

Flat earth thing was a dumb protestant thing

2019-12-06 23:22:23 UTC  

Catholics and Orthodox knew the earth was actually round

2019-12-06 23:24:39 UTC  

yeh it was classic prot stuff tbh
''um i dont understand this greek stuff so im just going to form my own interpretation''

2019-12-07 05:31:05 UTC  

@Spergerger But didn’t the Flat Earth myth primarily derive from a mathematical dispute occurring between Columbus and the royal government?

2019-12-07 05:31:48 UTC  

Specifically, the dispute was focused on the distance that it would take to get from Southern Europe to India.

2019-12-07 05:38:05 UTC  

no

2019-12-07 05:41:03 UTC  

@Zoltanous Depends on what you mean when you say "Protestant"