Message from @Maksim
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It is tho, you can’t have space travel whilst believing the earth is flat
Believing the earth is flat has nothing to do with social traditionalism, and you are over exasperating and bringing in irrelevant points with the earth is flat thing.
I’m bringing up an example, fundamental Christian beliefs of the Middle Ages are an example of that.
As with the Qing the industrialization also brought in values like democracy and parliamentarianism which they opposed
Believing the earth was flat was *not* a fundamental Christian belief.
It was? They believed that for millennia
You take the meaning of fundamental and apply it to something that isnt fundamental, fundmental is something that must be there
Like belief Christ is the son of God
That is fundmanetal
Because changing that would change everything
It was? The earth not being flat changed everything because it proves the heliocentric worldview and that the earth is not the center of the universe
That is not fundamental to Christian belief
It was a scientific dispute, not a theological dispute
Galileo was an adamant Christian, if it was fundamental he would've left the faith.
He didnt.
1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast..
The first one, has a very differnt meaning when in RSV
The 2nd one has nothing to do with flat eath
Neither does the 3rd one
Neither does the 4th
It calls the earth immovable
It’s referring to it as a forced object
No physically, not once does it refer to earth immovable as physically immovable
It is talking about God's reign over earth
that it will never be moved
That earth was created, and it will never *not* be earth
Christians held that belief however, it comes from Ptolemy which was deeply ingrained in European culture
So was their brilliant understanding of medicine
Christians held that belief does not mean it was inherently a Christian belief.
This was a scientific endeavor, not a theological one.
It was scientific belief, not a Christian belief.
Anyways i must go, @Gromp feel free to respond and ill respond once im back.
Nice Chat.
Spook discussion I see
yeh as far as im aware the belief in the flat earth was never part of christian doctrine and those bible quotes as maksim explained, do not say the earth is flat or that heliocentrism is wrong, the belief in the flat earth was fringe within christianity
from what i know flat earth and geocentrism is based in ancient astrology and mysticism
Flat earth thing was a dumb protestant thing