Message from @el pebble

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2019-08-06 00:16:04 UTC  

no unresolved potential

2019-08-06 00:16:13 UTC  

so

2019-08-06 00:16:24 UTC  

Does God have the capacity to apply limitation to his own power

2019-08-06 00:16:42 UTC  

the transition from possibility to actuality or from act to potentiality, occurs only in creatures

2019-08-06 00:17:32 UTC  

why

2019-08-06 00:17:42 UTC  

it exists in things that arent alive

2019-08-06 00:17:49 UTC  

matter and form

2019-08-06 00:18:36 UTC  

when it is said that God can or could do a thing, the terms are not to be understood in the sense in which they are applied to created causes, but as conveying the idea of a being, the range of Whose activity is limited only by His sovereign will

2019-08-06 00:19:26 UTC  

By saying the God cannot transition to a state of potentiality denies Christ's existence

2019-08-06 00:19:47 UTC  

lol no it does not

2019-08-06 00:19:52 UTC  

It does

2019-08-06 00:19:59 UTC  

Christ was a human with divinity

2019-08-06 00:20:00 UTC  

still human

2019-08-06 00:20:13 UTC  

stil created

2019-08-06 00:20:17 UTC  

still with potency

2019-08-06 00:20:58 UTC  

This isn’t the catholic view maybe Protestant

2019-08-06 00:21:11 UTC  

The Church holds he is human

2019-08-06 00:21:30 UTC  

a human with divinity

2019-08-06 00:21:58 UTC  

The church holds is human and divine, not a human with divinity if you get the distinction

2019-08-06 00:22:11 UTC  

yes as in he is without sin

2019-08-06 00:22:15 UTC  

the distinction is negligible really

2019-08-06 00:22:23 UTC  

the important part is the human facet

2019-08-06 00:22:34 UTC  

it is a form of potency that God undertook

2019-08-06 00:23:18 UTC  

but this is straying too far from my question

2019-08-06 00:24:10 UTC  

Does the all-powerful God have the capacity to limit his power

2019-08-06 00:24:50 UTC  

not restrain by parameters but to permanently quantify a level to it, thereby severing it from an all-powerful nature

2019-08-06 00:27:16 UTC  

having a sovereign will is a form of power if he were to have the capacity to limit himself, for example to remove his own will, he would not be all powerful

2019-08-06 00:28:24 UTC  

so you are saying he does not have the capacity to do it

2019-08-06 00:29:17 UTC  

the ability to limit oneself is repugnant to his will and therefore his omnipotence

2019-08-06 00:30:19 UTC  

Does he have the capacity to do it

2019-08-06 00:31:00 UTC  

the capacity to limit oneself is antithetical to the concept of omnipotence

2019-08-06 00:33:28 UTC  

@el pebble what do you mean limit His power?

2019-08-06 00:33:37 UTC  

he can withold his hand, yes

2019-08-06 00:34:13 UTC  

so he can not limit himself because it would be repugnant to his will and therefore his omnipotence, if it were to go against his will god would be able to be acted upon rather than to act, which would mean that he is not omnipotent.

2019-08-06 00:35:51 UTC  

then he is not all-powerful

2019-08-06 00:36:30 UTC  

If he were omnipotent his capacity would be limitless

2019-08-06 00:36:37 UTC  

if he was limited he is not all-powerful

2019-08-06 00:36:49 UTC  

omnipotence does not exist

2019-08-06 00:37:43 UTC  

he is either limited by his capacity to limit himself or he is limited by his inability to limit himself

2019-08-06 00:38:52 UTC  

like i said before you are thinking of power as in relation to something else
this is the difference between absolutely possible and possible in relation to.
possible absolutely is the manner in which terms stand together so as to form a cohesive concept. Something like a square-circle is impossible because the definition of each of these terms is mutually exclusive so we cannot join them together to mean anything intelligible just as a limited god is not an intelligible concept.

2019-08-06 00:39:52 UTC  

No an incapacity is a limitation